Hi All,
Is anyone having interesting effects with the intel driver in rawhide? I upgraded to rawhide the other day and I must say its awesome. Its going to be another great release :-)
But the intel driver is a bit interesting. With compiz enabled I get a crash quite regularly. X either restarts and puts me back to the login prompt or locks the machine up (machine might be OK but I have no way to remote access it via ssh to see). It seems that the crash mostly happens when alt+tabbing between apps. I think that might be when most of the cool effects happen (firefox running seems to make that more regular).
It also seems some of the backlight stuff is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to remember the settings any more. The increase doesn't work until you hit decrease (which initially increases the brightness) and then its OK.
Also when compiz is turned off (maybe with it on too but it won't run long enough) I get a flicker every couple of minutes, sort of like a slight timing issue, which while not a major issue as its still usable it makes it annoying.
Anyone else seeing similar issues? BTW its a intel 945 chipset on a HP Compaq nx7400.
Cheers, Pete
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 18:58 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
But the intel driver is a bit interesting. With compiz enabled I get a crash quite regularly. X either restarts and puts me back to the login prompt or locks the machine up (machine might be OK but I have no way to remote access it via ssh to see). It seems that the crash mostly happens when alt+tabbing between apps. I think that might be when most of the cool effects happen (firefox running seems to make that more regular).
I see this one a lot. I've resorted to metacity with compositer turned on and I don't see the crash.
I haven't seen any of your other issues.
2008/3/20 Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com:
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 18:58 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
But the intel driver is a bit interesting. With compiz enabled I get a crash quite regularly. X either restarts and puts me back to the login prompt or locks the machine up (machine might be OK but I have no way to remote access it via ssh to see). It seems that the crash mostly happens when alt+tabbing between apps. I think that might be when most of the cool effects happen (firefox running seems to make that more regular).
I see this one a lot. I've resorted to metacity with compositer turned on and I don't see the crash.
Is there a BZ report number for this that you're aware of?
I haven't seen any of your other issues.
I saw the shudder/update bug on another laptop in my old job but it went away, I think the brightness one might be a combination of the way the hardware keys are hooked up and i think there was newer way of changing the brightness using keys in the newer driver (x standard or something) over the way it was done in the F8 driver (but not 100% on this as I'm no where near an X developer :).
Cheers, Peter
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 19:10 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
Is there a BZ report number for this that you're aware of?
No, I've been kind of waiting for somebody else to see it, and to try and figure out an easy reproducer, and to not be busy with the Beta.
2008/3/20, Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com:
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It also seems some of the backlight stuff is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to remember the settings any more. The increase doesn't work until you hit decrease (which initially increases the brightness) and then its OK.
I am also seeing this. This problem was not present in F8, but now the backlight is turned of when gdm start up.
On Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:11 pm Trond Danielsen wrote:
2008/3/20, Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com:
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It also seems some of the backlight stuff is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to remember the settings any more. The increase doesn't work until you hit decrease (which initially increases the brightness) and then its OK.
I am also seeing this. This problem was not present in F8, but now the backlight is turned of when gdm start up.
Hm, F8 had 2.1.1 which defaulted to using the native backlight control regs for most people. We switched to using the legacy ones for 2.2.0 because we were getting bug reports from people whose backlight controls didn't work at all, but maybe we have to revisit that decision...
Jesse
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
But the intel driver is a bit interesting. With compiz enabled I get a crash quite regularly. X either restarts and puts me back to the login prompt or locks the machine up (machine might be OK but I have no way to remote access it via ssh to see). It seems that the crash mostly happens when alt+tabbing between apps. I think that might be when most of the cool effects happen (firefox running seems to make that more regular).
There was a long discussion the other day about NMI's on Dell laptops with the ATI driver. I suspect this is a similar problem with the X server, only showing itself in a different driver.
It also seems some of the backlight stuff is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to remember the settings any more. The increase doesn't work until you hit decrease (which initially increases the brightness) and then its OK.
Also when compiz is turned off (maybe with it on too but it won't run long enough) I get a flicker every couple of minutes, sort of like a slight timing issue, which while not a major issue as its still usable it makes it annoying.
On my laptop at work, NV driver, when gdm starts up the backlight is turned off. If I switch to runlevel 3 and startx then the backlight remains on. Eventually, even with all the power manager and backlight settings set to 'never', the backlight turns off. I have to reboot the machine.
darrell
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 12:20 -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote:
On my laptop at work, NV driver, when gdm starts up the backlight is turned off. If I switch to runlevel 3 and startx then the backlight remains on. Eventually, even with all the power manager and backlight settings set to 'never', the backlight turns off. I have to reboot the machine.
Ok, I do actually see no backlight with gdm, but a tty switch and back brings it back on.
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:44 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 12:20 -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote:
On my laptop at work, NV driver, when gdm starts up the backlight is turned off. If I switch to runlevel 3 and startx then the backlight remains on. Eventually, even with all the power manager and backlight settings set to 'never', the backlight turns off. I have to reboot the machine.
Ok, I do actually see no backlight with gdm, but a tty switch and back brings it back on.
I think I've seen this on one of the heads on my dual head ATI (proprietary driver) system. It's the one hooked up to DVI. I didn't realize it was only the backlight and thought it was a sync problem or something. This is on F8. Like Jesse, switch tty to vt-1 and back fixes it.
David
Hi.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:58:07 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote
But the intel driver is a bit interesting. With compiz enabled I get a crash quite regularly. X either restarts and puts me back to the login prompt or locks the machine up (machine might be OK but I have no way to remote access it via ssh to see). It seems that the crash mostly happens when alt+tabbing between apps. I think that might be when most of the cool effects happen (firefox running seems to make that more regular).
There is a bug about that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435969
It also seems some of the backlight stuff is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to remember the settings any more. The increase doesn't work until you hit decrease (which initially increases the brightness) and then its OK.
I've seen weird brightness stuff with the latest drivers, but have not yet filed a bug. At least my brightness keys work again, so I can rectify that :)
When the screen saver kicks in the backlight goes off, and does not come back on it's own. mplayer does weird things to the backlight, too, sometimes setting it to full brightness, sometimes switching it off. Strangely none of the other media players do that :)
On Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:02 pm Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
I've seen weird brightness stuff with the latest drivers, but have not yet filed a bug. At least my brightness keys work again, so I can rectify that :)
When the screen saver kicks in the backlight goes off, and does not come back on it's own. mplayer does weird things to the backlight, too, sometimes setting it to full brightness, sometimes switching it off. Strangely none of the other media players do that :)
Yeah, I've had reports of both gdm and mplayer doing weird backlight stuff. Do they call into the DPMS routines themselves for some reason? Anyone here familiar with that at all?
Thanks, Jesse
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 01:21:13PM -0700, Jesse Barnes wrote:
Yeah, I've had reports of both gdm and mplayer doing weird backlight stuff. Do they call into the DPMS routines themselves for some reason? Anyone here familiar with that at all?
I know that mplayer switches off the screensaver, dpms, etc when you play something. Having the screen go black when you're watching something is kinda annoying after all. I'm not sure how it does it in practice though.
OG.
Hi.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:21:13 -0700, Jesse Barnes wrote
Yeah, I've had reports of both gdm and mplayer doing weird backlight stuff. Do they call into the DPMS routines themselves for some reason? Anyone here familiar with that at all?
I would not put it past them. I can't find an option to disable that, though.
On Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:11 pm Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
Hi.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:21:13 -0700, Jesse Barnes wrote
Yeah, I've had reports of both gdm and mplayer doing weird backlight stuff. Do they call into the DPMS routines themselves for some reason? Anyone here familiar with that at all?
I would not put it past them. I can't find an option to disable that, though.
Of course that doesn't mean the driver isn't buggy. I'm considering this change for upstream, if you get a chance maybe you could try it out to see if it fixes your problems?
Thanks, Jesse
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