CDDL+GPL still an issue?

[Simone Caronni]

Hello,

I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in Fedora.

It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
cdrtools in Fedora:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507108
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses

Regards,
--Simone



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[Jon Ciesla]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hello,
>
>  I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in Fedora.
>
>  It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
>  still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
>  cdrtools in Fedora:
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507108
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#SoftwareLicenses

It's fine, so long as it's not mixed in the same software with
GPL-compatible code, which is what, for example, keeps ZFS out of the
kernel but lets us ship zfs-fuse.

-J

>  Regards,
>  --Simone
>
>
>
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[Matthew Garrett]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 04:06:19PM +0200, Simone Caronni wrote:
>  I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in
> Fedora. 
I'm not aware that there ever have been.

>  It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if
> that's
>  still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
>  cdrtools in Fedora: 
cdrtools used to link GPLed code with CDDLed code. Such a binary is 
undistributable. If it still does that then there's no way for this code 
to be distributed by Fedora.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59(a)srcf.ucam.org

[Tom Callaway]

On 05/14/2012 10:06 AM, Simone Caronni wrote:
>  Hello,
>  
>  I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in Fedora.
>  
>  It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
>  still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
>  cdrtools in Fedora: 
No. We're not including cdrtools in Fedora. Consider it pre-emptively
legally blocked.

The last time this topic was brought up, I took the time to identify all
of the legal issues around it (and attempt to dispel some of Mr.
Schilling's crazy):

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00000.html

I've also added it to the Forbidden Items list:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items#cdrtools

~tom

==
Fedora Project

[Simone Caronni]

Thanks!

To better understand; in similar cases, how do I know that I can't
link with GPL?

The fact that both "GPLv3 Compat?" and "GPLv2 Compat?" columns have
their value to "NO" in the CDDL or BSD Protection line can be a clear
indication of that?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses

Regards,
--Simone




On 14 May 2012 16:27, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 05/14/2012 10:06 AM, Simone Caronni wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in Fedora.
> >
> > It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
> > still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
> > cdrtools in Fedora:
>
>  No. We're not including cdrtools in Fedora. Consider it pre-emptively
>  legally blocked.
>
>  The last time this topic was brought up, I took the time to identify all
>  of the legal issues around it (and attempt to dispel some of Mr.
>  Schilling's crazy):
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00000.html
>
>  I've also added it to the Forbidden Items list:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items#cdrtools
>
>  ~tom
>
>  ==
>  Fedora Project 


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[Tom Callaway]

On 05/14/2012 10:32 AM, Simone Caronni wrote:
>  Thanks!
>  
>  To better understand; in similar cases, how do I know that I can't
>  link with GPL?
>  
>  The fact that both "GPLv3 Compat?" and "GPLv2 Compat?" columns have
>  their value to "NO" in the CDDL or BSD Protection line can be a clear
>  indication of that? 
Yes. CDDL is considered to be GPLv2 and GPLv3 incompatible, so cases of
direct linking or code copying between GPLv2|GPLv3 and CDDL code result
in a pile of incompatible licenses (and effectively undistributable)
results, so they are not permitted in Fedora.

cdrtools is a particularly egregious case, which is why I added it to
the Forbidden Items list.

(To be clear, CDDL-only works that do not depend upon or link to GPL
code are okay for Fedora, even if I personally think the CDDL license is
a terrible choice.)

~tom

==
Fedora Project

[Jon Ciesla]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 05/14/2012 10:06 AM, Simone Caronni wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in Fedora.
> >
> > It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
> > still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
> > cdrtools in Fedora:
>
>  No. We're not including cdrtools in Fedora. Consider it pre-emptively
>  legally blocked.
>
>  The last time this topic was brought up, I took the time to identify all
>  of the legal issues around it (and attempt to dispel some of Mr.
>  Schilling's crazy):
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00000.html
>
>  I've also added it to the Forbidden Items list:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items#cdrtools 
Ah, the memories.

-J

>  ~tom
>
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[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jon Ciesla <limburgher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Tom Callaway
> <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On 05/14/2012 10:06 AM, Simone Caronni wrote:
>  >> Hello,
>  >>
>  >> I would like to know if there are still issues with CDDL packages in
>  Fedora.
>  >>
>  >> It is not my intention to start a flame, I'm simply asking if that's
>  >> still the case or if I can fill a Review Request for the infamous
>  >> cdrtools in Fedora:
>  >
>  > No. We're not including cdrtools in Fedora. Consider it pre-emptively
>  > legally blocked.
>  >
>  > The last time this topic was brought up, I took the time to identify all
>  > of the legal issues around it (and attempt to dispel some of Mr.
>  > Schilling's crazy):
>  >
>  >
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00000.html
>  >
>  > I've also added it to the Forbidden Items list:
>  >
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items#cdrtools
>
>  Ah, the memories.
>
>  -J
>
>  > ~tom
>  >
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Mr Schilling is just a special kind of crazy. He seems to have a rather
warped view of copyright law. And since when were forks illegal? Do we know
exactly what parts of cdrtools cause the legal incompatibilities?

[Tom Callaway]

On 05/14/2012 10:40 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote:

>  Mr Schilling is just a special kind of crazy. He seems to have a
> rather
>  warped view of copyright law. And since when were forks illegal? Do we
>  know exactly what parts of cdrtools cause the legal incompatibilities? 
If you really want me to revisit the details of this... item... you will
need to compensate me for it with high quality liquor in advance. I can
provide a mailing address upon request.

~tom

==
Fedora Project

[Simone Caronni]

No thanks, no revisiting; searches in google pointing to flame wars
are enough! :D

--Simone


On 14 May 2012 16:42, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 05/14/2012 10:40 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote:
>
> > Mr Schilling is just a special kind of crazy. He seems to have a rather
> > warped view of copyright law. And since when were forks illegal? Do we
> > know exactly what parts of cdrtools cause the legal incompatibilities?
>
>  If you really want me to revisit the details of this... item... you will
>  need to compensate me for it with high quality liquor in advance. I can
>  provide a mailing address upon request.
>
>  ~tom
>
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