abiword

[Kevin Fenzi]

Abiword is currently broken in f16/rawhide due to the retiring of
link-grammar (a FTBFS retiree).

This is currently breaking the Xfce, LXDE, and soas spins.

Would someone be interested in reviving link-grammar and possibly
helping out updating/maintaining abiword?

I've also sent email to the abiword maintainer, but they haven't
commited to abiword in almost a year. Others have been fixing it. ;(

I'd guess the next steps would be:

* update link-grammar and get it building/working.
* submit a review for it and get it back in. 
* update abiword and rebuild to use that version of link-grammar.

kevin

[Adam Miller]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:00:43AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Abiword is currently broken in f16/rawhide due to the retiring of
> link-grammar (a FTBFS retiree).
>
> This is currently breaking the Xfce, LXDE, and soas spins.
>
> Would someone be interested in reviving link-grammar and possibly
> helping out updating/maintaining abiword?
>
> I've also sent email to the abiword maintainer, but they haven't
> commited to abiword in almost a year. Others have been fixing it. ;(
>
> I'd guess the next steps would be:
> update link-grammar and get it building/working.
> submit a review for it and get it back in.
> update abiword and rebuild to use that version of link-grammar.
>
> kevin

Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less useful
in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well as it once
did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword is ... well,
painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on it is there much
motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely familiar with its user
base so my suggestion might be heavily greated with "OMG NOES!" replies
and if that's the case then by all means keep the train moving forward
... I just hate to unnessecary work done.)

Also, I think with the new compression on the Live images all the spins
have the spare space for LibreOffice.

Just my $0.02.

-AdamM

[Jon Ciesla]

Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:00:43AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Abiword is currently broken in f16/rawhide due to the retiring of
> > link-grammar (a FTBFS retiree).
> >
> > This is currently breaking the Xfce, LXDE, and soas spins.
> >
> > Would someone be interested in reviving link-grammar and possibly
> > helping out updating/maintaining abiword?
> >
> > I've also sent email to the abiword maintainer, but they haven't
> > commited to abiword in almost a year. Others have been fixing it. ;(
> >
> > I'd guess the next steps would be:
> > update link-grammar and get it building/working.
> > submit a review for it and get it back in.
> > update abiword and rebuild to use that version of link-grammar.
> >
> > kevin
>
> Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less useful
> in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well as it once
> did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword is ... well,
> painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on it is there much
> motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely familiar with its user
> base so my suggestion might be heavily greated with "OMG NOES!" replies
> and if that's the case then by all means keep the train moving forward
> ... I just hate to unnessecary work done.)
>
> Also, I think with the new compression on the Live images all the spins
> have the spare space for LibreOffice.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> -AdamM

I'd like to see abiword stick around, my $0.02.

-J

[Johannes Lips]

I just initiated a scratch build with the new upstream version, which is 
failing due to missing files.
It seems as if the jar files aren't generated during the build/install 
process.
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3247252

I also don't see the reasoning of dropping an app just because one 
dependency was kicked out.

johannes

On 08/02/2011 07:07 PM, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:00:43AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Abiword is currently broken in f16/rawhide due to the retiring of
> > link-grammar (a FTBFS retiree).
> >
> > This is currently breaking the Xfce, LXDE, and soas spins.
> >
> > Would someone be interested in reviving link-grammar and possibly
> > helping out updating/maintaining abiword?
> >
> > I've also sent email to the abiword maintainer, but they haven't
> > commited to abiword in almost a year. Others have been fixing it. ;(
> >
> > I'd guess the next steps would be:
> > update link-grammar and get it building/working.
> > submit a review for it and get it back in.
> > update abiword and rebuild to use that version of link-grammar.
> >
> > kevin
>
> Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less useful
> in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well as it once
> did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword is ... well,
> painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on it is there much
> motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely familiar with its user
> base so my suggestion might be heavily greated with "OMG NOES!" replies
> and if that's the case then by all means keep the train moving forward
> ... I just hate to unnessecary work done.)
>
> Also, I think with the new compression on the Live images all the spins
> have the spare space for LibreOffice.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> -AdamM

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:22 +0200
Johannes Lips  wrote:
> I just initiated a scratch build with the new upstream version, which
> is failing due to missing files.
> It seems as if the jar files aren't generated during the
> build/install process.
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3247252

Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...
> I also don't see the reasoning of dropping an app just because one 
> dependency was kicked out.

Well, it's not just that, it's that it's not being maintained. ;)

kevin

[Johannes Lips]

On 08/02/2011 07:39 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:22 +0200
> Johannes Lips  wrote:
> > I just initiated a scratch build with the new upstream version, which
> > is failing due to missing files.
> > It seems as if the jar files aren't generated during the
> > build/install process.
> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3247252
>
> Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...

Fixed, it's just a missing BuildRequirement of libgcj-devel. If you like 
I could open a Review Request.
> > I also don't see the reasoning of dropping an app just because one
> > dependency was kicked out.
>
> Well, it's not just that, it's that it's not being maintained. ;)
>
> kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:45:25 +0200
Johannes Lips  wrote:

...snip...
> > Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...
>
> Fixed, it's just a missing BuildRequirement of libgcj-devel. If you
> like I could open a Review Request.

Sure. Feel free.

kevin

[Johannes Lips]

Done.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646

Hope someone is reviewing it in a short while.

Johannes

On 08/02/2011 07:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:45:25 +0200
> Johannes Lips  wrote:
>
> ...snip...
> > > Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...
> >
> > Fixed, it's just a missing BuildRequirement of libgcj-devel. If you
> > like I could open a Review Request.
>
> Sure. Feel free.
>
> kevin

[Martin Langhoff]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Johannes Lips
 wrote:
> Done.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646
>
> Hope someone is reviewing it in a short while.

thanks! Abiword (actually libabiword) is an important part of the OLPC
& Sugar desktop environment.

cheers,

m

[Niels de Vos]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Johannes Lips
 wrote:
> Done.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646
>
> Hope someone is reviewing it in a short while.

I'll try to review this today, or at least "in a short while" ;-)

Cheers,
Niels
> Johannes
>
> On 08/02/2011 07:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:45:25 +0200
> > Johannes Lips  wrote:
> >
> > ...snip...
> > > > Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...
> > >
> > > Fixed, it's just a missing BuildRequirement of libgcj-devel. If you
> > > like I could open a Review Request.
> >
> > Sure. Feel free.
> >
> > kevin
>
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[Johannes Lips]

Ok, I have also written that to the already reviewed bug report and I 
would like to address an even broader audience with this mail.

Does someone have an interest in co-maintaining link-grammar? If yes, 
please make note to the following bug-report before I file the SCM request.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646

Thanks!

-Johannes

On 08/03/2011 10:06 AM, Niels de Vos wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Johannes Lips
>   wrote:
> > Done.
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646
> >
> > Hope someone is reviewing it in a short while.
>
> I'll try to review this today, or at least "in a short while" ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Niels
> > Johannes
> >
> > On 08/02/2011 07:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:45:25 +0200
> > > Johannes Lips    wrote:
> > >
> > > ...snip...
> > > > > Right. It is not detecting java for some reason...
> > > >
> > > > Fixed, it's just a missing BuildRequirement of libgcj-devel. If you
> > > > like I could open a Review Request.
> > >
> > > Sure. Feel free.
> > >
> > > kevin
> >
> > --
> > devel mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[Ian Weller]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:07:36PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less useful
> in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well as it once
> did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword is ... well,
> painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on it is there much
> motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely familiar with its user
> base so my suggestion might be heavily greated with "OMG NOES!" replies
> and if that's the case then by all means keep the train moving forward
> ... I just hate to unnessecary work done.)

I'm very certain that it's because libreoffice-writer (and more
importantly, what it pulls in) is much much larger than abiword, and
live CD ISOs are small.
> Also, I think with the new compression on the Live images all the spins
> have the spare space for LibreOffice.

I'd love to see this actually happen. ;)

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:07:36 -0500
Adam Miller  wrote:
> Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less
> useful in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well
> as it once did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword
> is ... well, painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on
> it is there much motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely
> familiar with its user base so my suggestion might be heavily greated
> with "OMG NOES!" replies and if that's the case then by all means
> keep the train moving forward ... I just hate to unnessecary work
> done.)

If no one steps up to maintain it sure. Upstream is still very much
alive as far as I can see. It's just the Fedora package thats lagging.
> Also, I think with the new compression on the Live images all the
> spins have the spare space for LibreOffice.

They might.

kevin

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 08/02/2011 11:09 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> If no one steps up to maintain it sure. Upstream is still very much
> alive as far as I can see. It's just the Fedora package thats lagging.

You can ping uwog in #abiword in irc.gimp.net for any future
discussions.  I just had a quick chat with him and he is going to build
Abiword with grammar support disabled for the time being till link
grammar is back in the repo.   I have informed him of the FTBFS policy.

Rahul

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Adam Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:00:43AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Abiword is currently broken in f16/rawhide due to the retiring of
> > link-grammar (a FTBFS retiree).
> >
> > This is currently breaking the Xfce, LXDE, and soas spins.
> >
> > Would someone be interested in reviving link-grammar and possibly
> > helping out updating/maintaining abiword?
> >
> > I've also sent email to the abiword maintainer, but they haven't
> > commited to abiword in almost a year. Others have been fixing it. ;(
> >
> > I'd guess the next steps would be:
> > update link-grammar and get it building/working.
> > submit a review for it and get it back in.
> > update abiword and rebuild to use that version of link-grammar.
> >
> > kevin
>
> Would an option be to just retire abiword? Its slowly gotten less useful
> in most cases because it doesn't handle formats near as well as it once
> did (even .odt ... going from libreoffice to abiword is ... well,
> painful) and if upstream isn't contuning development on it is there much
> motivation to keep it alive? (I'm not entirely familiar with its user
> base so my suggestion might be heavily greated with "OMG NOES!" replies
> and if that's the case then by all means keep the train moving forward
> ... I just hate to unnessecary work done.)
>
> Also, biw

OMG NOES! It is used by OLPC and I use it constantly as its infinitely
faster than oowriter for basic documents.

Peter