libflashsupport

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi,

It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in 
Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind 
this change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently 
unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?

Rahul

[Bill Nottingham]

Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said: 
>  It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list
> in 
>  Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind this 
>  change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently 
>  unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason? 
Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC.

Bill

[Bastien Nocera]

On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 16:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said: 
>  > It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in 
>  > Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind this 
>  > change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently 
>  > unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?
>  
>  Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
>  as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC. 
And I'm sure the people who came up with that idea made sure to nicely
ask Adobe to make their Flash plugins depend on it. Or explained to them
what that tool did so they can fix their software.

[Lennart Poettering]

On Sat, 24.05.08 00:34, Bastien Nocera (bnocera(a)redhat.com) wrote:

>  
>  On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 16:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  > Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said: 
>  > > It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in 
>  > > Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind this
>
>  > > change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently 
>  > > unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?
>  > 
>  > Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
>  > as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC.
>  
>  And I'm sure the people who came up with that idea made sure to nicely
>  ask Adobe to make their Flash plugins depend on it. Or explained to them
>  what that tool did so they can fix their software. 
Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.

Lennart

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[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 01:54 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>  Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine
> on
>  ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse. 
Presumably it's still needed for SSL and V4L though.

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[Andy Lawrence]

Where do you get Flash 10 for linux?

2008/5/23 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 01:54 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
> > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
>
>  Presumably it's still needed for SSL and V4L though.
>
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[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:13 -0400, Dr. Diesel wrote:
>  Where do you get Flash 10 for linux? 
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/

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[Lennart Poettering]

On Fri, 23.05.08 20:11, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams (ivazqueznet(a)gmail.com) wrote:

>  On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 01:54 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>  > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
>  > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
>  
>  Presumably it's still needed for SSL and V4L though. 
Flash comes internally with support for SSL, V4L and ALSA. The only
reason I hacked up libflashsupport is to add PulseAudio support. I
never touched the SSL/V4L part of libflashsupport however. And for
Flash 10 we don't need specific Pulse support anymore, since they
fixed the way they are using the ALSA API. And hence we don't need
libflashsupport at all anymore, and let Flash use SSL, V4L and ALSA
directly again.

Lennart

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[Bastien Nocera]

On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 01:54 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>  On Sat, 24.05.08 00:34, Bastien Nocera (bnocera(a)redhat.com) wrote:
>  
>  > 
>  > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 16:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  > > Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said: 
>  > > > It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in 
>  > > > Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind
> this 
>  > > > change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently 
>  > > > unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?
>  > > 
>  > > Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
>  > > as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC.
>  > 
>  > And I'm sure the people who came up with that idea made sure to nicely
>  > ask Adobe to make their Flash plugins depend on it. Or explained to them
>  > what that tool did so they can fix their software.
>  
>  Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
>  ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse. 
Good stuff then. Thanks.

[Jonathan Underwood]

2008/5/24 Lennart Poettering <mzerqung(a)0pointer.de&gt;:
>  Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine
> on
>  ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse. 
Empirically I installed flash in a F-9 fresh install and had no sound
in flash. I then installed libflashsupport, and got sound. The user
mailing list is similarly full of similar discussions.

[Valent Turkovic]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Lennart Poettering
<mzerqung(a)0pointer.de&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, 24.05.08 00:34, Bastien Nocera (bnocera(a)redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 16:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said:
> > > > It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in
> > > > Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind
> this
> > > > change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently
> > > > unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?
> > >
> > > Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
> > > as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC.
> >
> > And I'm sure the people who came up with that idea made sure to nicely
> > ask Adobe to make their Flash plugins depend on it. Or explained to them
> > what that tool did so they can fix their software.
>
>  Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
>  ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
>
>  Lennart 
Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under linux.

Cheers,
Valent.


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[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 12:28 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>  Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under
> linux. 
I have 10.0 b218 working just fine with nspluginwrapper on both F8 i386
and x86_64.

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[Lennart Poettering]

On Tue, 27.05.08 12:28, Valent Turkovic (valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com) wrote:

>  > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work
> fine on
>  > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
>  >
>  > Lennart
>  
>  Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under linux. 
Thanks for sharing this elaborate error description with us!

Lennart

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[Valent Turkovic]

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Lennart Poettering
<mzerqung(a)0pointer.de&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, 27.05.08 12:28, Valent Turkovic (valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> > > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
> > > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
> > >
> > > Lennart
> >
> > Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under linux.
>
>  Thanks for sharing this elaborate error description with us!
>
>  Lennart 
I have downloaded and installed flash10 beta from adobe via their rpm
and also via .sh file under FC6 running FF3b. I have asked others on
local news group and I got few reports from people using other distros
that they also have issues with it not working.

When I install it via rpm file then FF3 still says that I don't have
Flash plugin installed, so I remove it and install it via .sh file in
~/.mozilla/plugins/ and then it doesn't complain that it doesn't have
the plugin but it still doesn't show any flash videos...

It this better? ;)

Cheers,
Valent.

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[Mike Chambers]

On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 14:39 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:

>  I have downloaded and installed flash10 beta from adobe via their
> rpm
>  and also via .sh file under FC6 running FF3b. I have asked others on
>  local news group and I got few reports from people using other distros
>  that they also have issues with it not working.
>  
>  When I install it via rpm file then FF3 still says that I don't have
>  Flash plugin installed, so I remove it and install it via .sh file in
>  ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and then it doesn't complain that it doesn't have
>  the plugin but it still doesn't show any flash videos... 
Running ver 10 on x86 system running F9 without libflashsupport and
seems to be running just fine.

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[Valent Turkovic]

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Valent Turkovic
<valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Lennart Poettering
>  <mzerqung(a)0pointer.de&gt; wrote:
> > On Tue, 27.05.08 12:28, Valent Turkovic (valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >> > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
> >> > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
> >> >
> >> > Lennart
> >>
> >> Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under linux.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this elaborate error description with us!
> >
> > Lennart
>
>  I have downloaded and installed flash10 beta from adobe via their rpm
>  and also via .sh file under FC6 running FF3b. I have asked others on
>  local news group and I got few reports from people using other distros
>  that they also have issues with it not working.
>
>  When I install it via rpm file then FF3 still says that I don't have
>  Flash plugin installed, so I remove it and install it via .sh file in
>  ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and then it doesn't complain that it doesn't have
>  the plugin but it still doesn't show any flash videos...
>
>  It this better? ;)
>
>  Cheers,
>  Valent.
>
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I needed to so some sym linking but then flash 10 worked under FC6 with FF3.
Flash 10 works under Fedora 9 for me.

Cheers,
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[Suren Karapetyan]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
>  On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Lennart Poettering
>  <mzerqung(a)0pointer.de&gt; wrote:
> > On Sat, 24.05.08 00:34, Bastien Nocera (bnocera(a)redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 16:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >>> Rahul Sundaram (sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org) said:
> >>>> It seems libflashsupport was dropped out of the default package list in
> >>>> Fedora 9 and I didn't see any public discussion on the reasons behind
> this
> >>>> change (release notes didn't get updated either until recently
> >>>> unfortunately) Can someone familiar with this change explain the reason?
> >>> Check the FESCo logs... general reasoning is that it existed solely
> >>> as a crutch for third-party software, IIRC.
> >> And I'm sure the people who came up with that idea made sure to nicely
> >> ask Adobe to make their Flash plugins depend on it. Or explained to them
> >> what that tool did so they can fix their software.
> > Adobe Flash 10 doesn't need libflashsupport anymore to work fine on
> > ALSA ioplug-based backends such as pulse.
> >
> > Lennart
>  
>  Current version of Flash 10 doesn't work with Firefox under linux.
>  
>  Cheers,
>  Valent.
>  
>   
Well... Mozilla's understanding of beta and Adobe's are different.
mozilla beta: works most of the time
adobe beta: sometimes works, sometimes doesn't