F20 Beta upgrade issues - network status gone

[Michael Ekstrand]

I just upgraded my laptop from F19 to F20 Beta, using fedup, and
encountered 2 noticeable problems with the upgrade process that I'm not
sure where/how to correctly report:

- Upon update, nm-applet was gone and my gnome-shell status area had no
  network status or control.  Installing network-manager-applet brought
  it back.  I had a working network status display prior to upgrade.
- I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in gnome-shell now.  I
  did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get
  it back, or where to report it.

So (A) where should I direct these reports (I do not know what
component is responsible for nm-applet disappearing, or what is
responsible for the Bluetooth status display in the first place), and
(B) how do I get my Bluetooth status back?

- Michael

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Michael Ekstrand — http://elehack.net/

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:44 -0600, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
>  I just upgraded my laptop from F19 to F20 Beta, using fedup, and
>  encountered 2 noticeable problems with the upgrade process that I'm not
>  sure where/how to correctly report:
>  
>  - Upon update, nm-applet was gone and my gnome-shell status area had no
>    network status or control.  Installing network-manager-applet brought
>    it back.  I had a working network status display prior to upgrade. 
Assuming you have a straightforward wired connection, this is not a bug.
See the discussion in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1005719 starting around
comment #13.

>  - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in gnome-shell
> now.  I
>    did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get
>    it back, or where to report it. 
I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the same thing: no
'status' will be displayed unless there's something useful to display
(like a paired device).
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[Michael Ekstrand]

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:58:27 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:44 -0600, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
>  > I just upgraded my laptop from F19 to F20 Beta, using fedup, and
>  > encountered 2 noticeable problems with the upgrade process that I'm
>  > not sure where/how to correctly report:
>  > 
>  > - Upon update, nm-applet was gone and my gnome-shell status area
>  > had no network status or control.  Installing
>  > network-manager-applet brought it back.  I had a working network
>  > status display prior to upgrade.
>  
>  Assuming you have a straightforward wired connection, this is not a
>  bug. See the discussion in
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1005719 starting around
>  comment #13. 
It's a wireless connection; before re-installing
network-manager-applet, the integrated status menu didn't have anything
to say about networking, so I couldn't check or make sure I was
connected to the wireless.

It seems like this is an issue in packaging somehow, that fedup didn't
know to install network-manager-applet.  Or maybe that fix was not the
way it's supposed to be fixed - I just did that because I had
remembered from previous versions of gnome-shell that the network
controls operated by controlling nm-applet.
 
>  > - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in
> gnome-shell now.
>  > I did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to
>  > get it back, or where to report it.
>  
>  I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the same thing: no
>  'status' will be displayed unless there's something useful to display
>  (like a paired device). 
Yep, pairing a device makes it show up.

-- 
Michael Ekstrand — http://elehack.net/

[Michael Ekstrand]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:20 -0600
Michael Ekstrand <michael(a)elehack.net&gt; wrote:

>  On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:58:27 -0800
>  Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:44 -0600, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
>  > > I just upgraded my laptop from F19 to F20 Beta, using fedup, and
>  > > encountered 2 noticeable problems with the upgrade process that
>  > > I'm not sure where/how to correctly report:
>  > > 
>  > > - Upon update, nm-applet was gone and my gnome-shell status area
>  > > had no network status or control.  Installing
>  > > network-manager-applet brought it back.  I had a working network
>  > > status display prior to upgrade.
>  > 
>  > Assuming you have a straightforward wired connection, this is not a
>  > bug. See the discussion in
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1005719 starting around
>  > comment #13.
>  
>  It's a wireless connection; before re-installing
>  network-manager-applet, the integrated status menu didn't have
>  anything to say about networking, so I couldn't check or make sure I
>  was connected to the wireless.
>  
>  It seems like this is an issue in packaging somehow, that fedup didn't
>  know to install network-manager-applet.  Or maybe that fix was not the
>  way it's supposed to be fixed - I just did that because I had
>  remembered from previous versions of gnome-shell that the network
>  controls operated by controlling nm-applet. 
I just uninstalled network-manager-applet, restarted my session, and I
do have network controls now.

So it looks like things do work, although I do not know why I did not
have network controls when I first logged in after the upgrade.

-- 
Michael Ekstrand — http://elehack.net/

[Matthias Clasen]

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 17:58 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

>  > - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in
> gnome-shell now.  I
>  >   did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get
>  >   it back, or where to report it.
>  
>  I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the same thing: no
>  'status' will be displayed unless there's something useful to display
>  (like a paired device). 
Yes, the bluetooth icon shows up on the top bar when you've paired a
device. In that case you also get a bluetooth submenu in the system
status. I just tried with my phone.

[Peter Robinson]

> > > - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in
> gnome-shell now.  I
> > >   did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get
> > >   it back, or where to report it.
> >
> > I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the same thing: no
> > 'status' will be displayed unless there's something useful to display
> > (like a paired device).
>
>  Yes, the bluetooth icon shows up on the top bar when you've paired a
>  device. In that case you also get a bluetooth submenu in the system
>  status. I just tried with my phone. 
Strangely I always have a bluetooth network menu even though i don't
have any bluetooth networks configured but I do have a number of
bluetooth devices (mouse, speakers, headset) that I use to be able to
connect with a couple of clicks once paired but now every time I want
to use them I have to go into the control panel which is a good dozen
or more clicks.

Peter

[Bastien Nocera]

----- Original Message -----
>  >> > - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in
> gnome-shell now.  I
>  >> >   did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get
>  >> >   it back, or where to report it.
>  >>
>  >> I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the same thing: no
>  >> 'status' will be displayed unless there's something useful to
> display
>  >> (like a paired device).
>  >
>  > Yes, the bluetooth icon shows up on the top bar when you've paired a
>  > device. In that case you also get a bluetooth submenu in the system 
Not paired, but connected to the device.

>  > status. I just tried with my phone.
>  
>  Strangely I always have a bluetooth network menu even though i don't
>  have any bluetooth networks configured 
NM configures them automatically now. So you probably paired your phone
in this particular case.

>  but I do have a number of
>  bluetooth devices (mouse, speakers, headset) that I use to be able to
>  connect with a couple of clicks once paired but now every time I want
>  to use them I have to go into the control panel which is a good dozen
>  or more clicks. 
Mice, speakers and headsets should all try to connect to the computer
without you having to do anything. If that's not working (and I had some problems
with a mouse recently), that's probably what we should be looking at rather
than re-adding things to the menu.

[Peter Robinson]

> > but I do have a number of
> > bluetooth devices (mouse, speakers, headset) that I use to be able to
> > connect with a couple of clicks once paired but now every time I want
> > to use them I have to go into the control panel which is a good dozen
> > or more clicks.
>
>  Mice, speakers and headsets should all try to connect to the computer
>  without you having to do anything. If that's not working (and I had some problems
>  with a mouse recently), that's probably what we should be looking at rather
>  than re-adding things to the menu. 
None of them do, and I've never had any luck with that going back
sometime, I've always had to manually pair.

Peter

[Bastien Nocera]

----- Original Message -----
>  >> but I do have a number of
>  >> bluetooth devices (mouse, speakers, headset) that I use to be able to
>  >> connect with a couple of clicks once paired but now every time I want
>  >> to use them I have to go into the control panel which is a good dozen
>  >> or more clicks.
>  >
>  > Mice, speakers and headsets should all try to connect to the computer
>  > without you having to do anything. If that's not working (and I had some
>  > problems
>  > with a mouse recently), that's probably what we should be looking at rather
>  > than re-adding things to the menu.
>  
>  None of them do, and I've never had any luck with that going back
>  sometime, I've always had to manually pair. 
Well, you pair once, that's supposed to keep. Unless you use your device
for another computer, or phone, in which case you'll keep needing to do that.

The good thing is that we should be reworking for GNOME 3.12 that so you
don't need a separate interface from the settings panel to pair it. But that's
still pretty deep inside the interface...

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:44 -0600, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
>  - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in gnome-shell
> now.  I
>    did previously.  I do not know what I need to install or tweak to
>  get
>    it back, or where to report it. 
Check if the settings > bluetooth window detects your device. It doesn't
detect mine at the moment, but it did in F19 just fine. I haven't gotten
down to debugging this yet.

(Could also be something to do with bluez5?)
-- 
Thanks,
Warm regards,
Ankur (FranciscoD)

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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