Is Bodhi's fedmsg integration in the UI useful?

[Randy Barlow]

Greetings again!

In my quest to kill Bodhi features so I can have a smaller codebase to
maintain, I am considering getting rid of the fedmsg integration in the
web interface:

https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/2913

I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to see
if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful?

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 12:59:38PM -0500, Randy Barlow wrote:
>  Greetings again!
>  
>  In my quest to kill Bodhi features so I can have a smaller codebase to
>  maintain, I am considering getting rid of the fedmsg integration in the
>  web interface:
>  
>  https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/2913
>  
>  I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to see
>  if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful? 
Can you explain what this "fedmsg integration" is? Is it just the popups
like "nnn created an update for yyy"?
If it's just that, from my side I can say I find those cute, but of no
practical use.

Zbyszek

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 19:07:09 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>  On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 12:59:38PM -0500, Randy Barlow wrote:
>  > Greetings again!
>  > 
>  > In my quest to kill Bodhi features so I can have a smaller codebase to
>  > maintain, I am considering getting rid of the fedmsg integration in the
>  > web interface:
>  > 
>  > https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/2913
>  > 
>  > I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to see
>  > if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful?
>  
>  Can you explain what this "fedmsg integration" is? Is it just the popups
>  like "nnn created an update for yyy"?
>  If it's just that, from my side I can say I find those cute, but of no
>  practical use. 
+1


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[Randy Barlow]

On Wed, 2019-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>  Can you explain what this "fedmsg integration" is? Is it
> just the
>  popups
>  like "nnn created an update for yyy"?
>  If it's just that, from my side I can say I find those cute, but of
>  no
>  practical use. 
Indeed, the popups that tell you what other people are doing in Bodhi.

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 09:11 -0500, Randy Barlow wrote:
>  On Wed, 2019-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
>  > Can you explain what this "fedmsg integration" is? Is it just the
>  > popups
>  > like "nnn created an update for yyy"?
>  > If it's just that, from my side I can say I find those cute, but of
>  > no
>  > practical use.
>  
>  Indeed, the popups that tell you what other people are doing in Bodhi. 
Another 'no' vote. I just find them kinda distracting and annoying. Was
there some kind of design rationale for them? Or were they just added
because 'hey, fedmsg is cool'?
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[Randy Barlow]

On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 08:34 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  Was
>  there some kind of design rationale for them? Or were they just added
>  because 'hey, fedmsg is cool'? 
I don't know because they were added before my tenure, though I suspect
it was the latter.

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:23 AM Randy Barlow
<bowlofeggs(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 08:34 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  > Was
>  > there some kind of design rationale for them? Or were they just added
>  > because 'hey, fedmsg is cool'?
>
>  I don't know because they were added before my tenure, though I suspect
>  it was the latter. 
At least for me, it's the only way I know when my update submission
succeeds, because UI responsiveness is *really bad*. But beyond that,
it doesn't have much use to me.


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[Kevin Kofler]

Randy Barlow wrote:
>  I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to
> see
>  if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful? 
I just find those notifications annoying and pointless. This feature could 
possibly be useful if it were filtered so that only activities relevant to 
me in some way (to be defined) show up (but even then, what is the 
probability that they happen while I happen to file a Bodhi update?), but as 
it stands now, the notification popups are a mere annoyance.

So IMHO just drop this feature. Less code for you to maintain, and no more 
annoying notifications (about events I don't care about) disrupting my Bodhi 
usage.

        Kevin Kofler

[Stephen Gallagher]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:23 PM Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:
>  Randy Barlow wrote:
>  > I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to see
>  > if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful?
>
>  I just find those notifications annoying and pointless. This feature could
>  possibly be useful if it were filtered so that only activities relevant to
>  me in some way (to be defined) show up (but even then, what is the
>  probability that they happen while I happen to file a Bodhi update?), but as
>  it stands now, the notification popups are a mere annoyance.
>
>  So IMHO just drop this feature. Less code for you to maintain, and no more
>  annoying notifications (about events I don't care about) disrupting my Bodhi
>  usage. 
Anecdotally, I can think of cases where they were useful, but mostly
by accident. For example, last week a colleague of mine happened to
notice me filing a buildroot override (which he also needed to do), so
he contacted me asking for guidance.

That said, such instances are few and far between. I agree with the
growing consensus that this is an unnecessary feature and if removing
it will make the code simpler to maintain, I'm all for it.

[Kamil Paral]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 7:01 PM Randy Barlow <bowlofeggs(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  Greetings again!
>
>  In my quest to kill Bodhi features so I can have a smaller codebase to
>  maintain, I am considering getting rid of the fedmsg integration in the
>  web interface:
>
>  https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/2913
>
>  I don't know of a way that integration is useful, but I wanted to see
>  if others thought it was useful. So, do you find it useful?
>  
Not useful.
Notifications for my own actions (comment added, etc) are of course useful
(also show up as notifications, not sure if this shares code or just
appearance).