Yesterday evening I went through bugzilla.fedora.us new package requests, preparing another batch of ticket reassignments. The tickets will be assigned to the packager (i.e. assignee = package owner). That makes it easier to sort http://fedora.us/QA by owner and look for familiar names and e.g. look at who has packaged what.
So, don't be surprised when you receive "bugzilla spam" in your mailbox and don't know how to interpret the re-assignments.
There is just one tiny little thing i wonder about: In core 3, will there be an option under install "Do you want to use extras-packages? This may be illegal under current US and EU copyright/patent law" - something like debian does? That would be really great, but i dont know the legal implications.
fre, 17.09.2004 kl. 16.04 skrev Michael Schwendt:
Yesterday evening I went through bugzilla.fedora.us new package requests, preparing another batch of ticket reassignments. The tickets will be assigned to the packager (i.e. assignee = package owner). That makes it easier to sort http://fedora.us/QA by owner and look for familiar names and e.g. look at who has packaged what.
So, don't be surprised when you receive "bugzilla spam" in your mailbox and don't know how to interpret the re-assignments.
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Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
There is just one tiny little thing i wonder about: In core 3, will there be an option under install "Do you want to use extras-packages? This may be illegal under current US and EU copyright/patent law" - something like debian does? That would be really great, but i dont know the legal implications.
I dont think so. Certain readings of US/EU law is that even advising that it might be illegal but saying you can do it makes you a party to the crime. EG Red Hat would be enabling a criminal enterprise. While it might get thrown out of court eventually... it is probably something RH wants to deal with.
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:05:29 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
There is just one tiny little thing i wonder about: In core 3, will there be an option under install "Do you want to use extras-packages? This may be illegal under current US and EU copyright/patent law" - something like debian does? That would be really great, but i dont know the legal implications.
Nothing would be illegal about adding packages offered at fedora.us. You're confusing the situation with software not included by the Fedora Project due to patenting or licencing issues.
Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
There is just one tiny little thing i wonder about: In core 3, will there be an option under install "Do you want to use extras-packages? This may be illegal under current US and EU copyright/patent law" - something like debian does? That would be really great, but i dont know the legal implications.
1) It currently still is totally legal to ship packages which have sw patent issues in the eu, the current eu law clearly forbids sw patents, so although some sw patents have been awarded in the eu this _currently_ is a non issue. The ec (goverment) of the eu however is doing its best to get sw patent legalised in the eu, against the will of the eu parlement (democracy, whats that?) and against the will of many countries parlements.
2) I've been thinking about something more elaborate then this:
Change the select your timezone screen to a select your location screen. This way we could also automaticly select the nearest official mirror for up2date and yum, and when we're in a country where it is legal automaticly include livna in the repository list.
If this is done before package selection, we could then also ask: You seem to have an internetconnection, would you like to download and install extra available software? And include the extra repositories in the package selection (for example default install xine on a desktop if available).
Regards,
Hans
Or somhow take advantage of the "do you have any extra cd's" under firstboot. I sombody at Livna/fedora.us/etc made such an iso, and it got widely published where it is to be found, "everybody" would find that and add it to the download.
Another thing: Using timezone localisation selection to choose it, might be a bad idea as some people in the US might decide they want it no matter what. I mean - really - how namy here does REALLY care that because of US patent law libdcss is illegal, and therefor boot windows each time they want to watch a dvd on their pc?
No, let the users decide. Put a big box there, with warnings and everything, and "yes/no" buttons. Debian does it, SuSE delivers mp3 etc, and many other distros does to. US is not the world ;)
BTW. according to Richard Stallman, the EU is going to have a new vote on software patents in the beginning of october. Check out ffii.org for more information. As far as i know, the case is that the parliment voted "no" on sw patents last year, but the council still wants them (backed my multi-billion corps like Nokia, Siemens, and Microsoft), and have demanded a new hearing, in the beginning of October.
lør, 18.09.2004 kl. 08.23 skrev Hans de Goede:
Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
There is just one tiny little thing i wonder about: In core 3, will there be an option under install "Do you want to use extras-packages? This may be illegal under current US and EU copyright/patent law" - something like debian does? That would be really great, but i dont know the legal implications.
- It currently still is totally legal to ship packages which have sw
patent issues in the eu, the current eu law clearly forbids sw patents, so although some sw patents have been awarded in the eu this _currently_ is a non issue. The ec (goverment) of the eu however is doing its best to get sw patent legalised in the eu, against the will of the eu parlement (democracy, whats that?) and against the will of many countries parlements.
- I've been thinking about something more elaborate then this:
Change the select your timezone screen to a select your location screen. This way we could also automaticly select the nearest official mirror for up2date and yum, and when we're in a country where it is legal automaticly include livna in the repository list.
If this is done before package selection, we could then also ask: You seem to have an internetconnection, would you like to download and install extra available software? And include the extra repositories in the package selection (for example default install xine on a desktop if available).
Regards,
Hans
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Another thing: Using timezone localisation selection to choose it, might be a bad idea as some people in the US might decide they want it no matter what. I mean - really - how namy here does REALLY care that because of US patent law libdcss is illegal, and therefor boot windows each time they want to watch a dvd on their pc?
As said, the name of the config screen should then be changed to choose your location. This is a good idea anyways to select: -metrics (I may use en_US as language, but I want european mainland metrics, iow making the language decission based on location is not a good idea, but for 99.9% choosing the metrics which are normal for the location is the right thing todo. This is what windows 9x does anyways, and it makes sense I know lot of people with english windows and dutch metrics. -mirrors for updates and repros -timezone -and also if to automaticly configure patent troubled repros.
No, let the users decide. Put a big box there, with warnings and everything, and "yes/no" buttons. Debian does it, SuSE delivers mp3 etc, and many other distros does to. US is not the world ;)
Way to scary for my mother, if you're american just add the repro manually like you have todo now. Besides by doing this automagicly I think (but IANAL) that fedora has a better defense in court, because we can say: -your honor we made our software so that it doesn't download the patented software in countries where there are patents on the software. But because Fedora is internationally used we choise to make it easier to get the patented softwarefor users in countries where there are no patents to get the software. BTW In neither scenario are we distributing the software.
BTW. according to Richard Stallman, the EU is going to have a new vote on software patents in the beginning of october. Check out ffii.org for more information. As far as i know, the case is that the parliment voted "no" on sw patents last year, but the council still wants them (backed my multi-billion corps like Nokia, Siemens, and Microsoft), and have demanded a new hearing, in the beginning of October.
I know, everyone please contact your local eu parlement members about this.
Regards,
Hans
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