Re: Fedora 18 End of Life

[David A. Wheeler]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 05:24:04PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  > > gesture to at least keep the source RPMs around.
>  > The thing is those copr repos will likely depend on EOLed Fedora
>  > repos. Do we keep *those* around? I guess the answer will be different
>  > for each mirror. Some will keep those repos for longer, some shorter. 
Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; then declared:
>  To: Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora
>  	<devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;,	Cool Other Package Repositories
>  	<copr-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org&gt;
>  Subject: Re: Fedora 18 End of Life
>  Message-ID: <20140116163348.GA29005(a)disco.bu.edu&gt;
>  
>  We keep them forever, yes....
>  
>  Now, one thing we don't keep are all of the updates. I believe these are
>  actually retained internally in koji (although I think because we can, not
>  necessarily by policy), but they vanish from the repositories -- both mirror
>  network and archive -- so reproducing the exact build environment may be
>  difficult / annoying. 
Reproducing the exact build environment, when I tried to do it years ago,
turned out to be practically impossible and not just "difficult".
If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome.  Storage is cheap.

--- David A. Wheeler

Fedora 18 End of Life

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:51:57 -0500 (EST)
"David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler(a)dwheeler.com&gt; wrote:

>  Reproducing the exact build environment, when I tried to do it years
>  ago, turned out to be practically impossible and not just "difficult". 
There was a recent effort on this: 
https://github.com/kholia/ReproducibleBuilds

>  If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome.  Storage is
> cheap. 
I'm afraid I have to disagree somewhat. ;) 

Buying a 4TB off the shelf drive and slapping some data on it is cheap. 

Keeping many TB of data around in a production env, where you do
backups, move things around, store on raid/netapp and keep forever is
less so. ;) 

kevin

Fedora 18 End of Life

[Bruno Wolff III]

> > If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome.  Storage is
> cheap. 
There should be a stock reply to that statement somewhere. IT support 
staff seem to hear it a lot.

Besides the stuff Kevin listed, enterprize drives with good seek times 
and transfer rates cost more than typical consumer drives.