Re: Bugzilla dupes attack

[Paul A Houle]

At 04:30 PM 2/14/2006, Jeff Spaleta wrote:

> I'm suggesting that there is very little to be learned from the
> specific comparison to google.  I'm saying that since we are incapable
> of examining the details of how google search works, there is very
> little to be gleamed from looking at example output from google at
> all. The magic in the google search is the search algorithm which
> produces the results. And its exactly that piece of magic which we
> don't have access to to examine and reuse.  Are you really suggesting
> that we blindly reverse-engineer the google search algorithm and apply
> it to bugzilla? 
         The magic of Google isn't in the ranking algorithm,  it's in the 
kind and quantity of data that it searches over and the expectations people 
have of it.

         The problems of information retrieval depend on the scale of your 
database.  Historically,  people have evaluated IR systems based on two 
things:  precision and recall.

         If you've got a database with 10,000 items,  and there is 1 item 
that matches,  there's a lot of risk that that 1 item will be lost if 
someone doesn't type in the perfect search term.  Recall is the issue,  so 
it's important to stem words (working -> work),  have a system that's smart 
about synonyms,  etc.

         Now,  if you're searching a database with 10 billion items,  there 
will be 1 million hits for a 1:10000 item.  The issue is picking out the 
best items out of that million items,  so there's more stress on precise 
phrase matching,  things like pagerank.  Antispam measures are 
essential,  and so is the removal of duplicate documents.

         Google's trying to do something entirely different from what 
bugzilla search is trying to do or,  say,  beagle should do on your desktop.

Bugzilla dupes attack

[Dimi Paun]

From: "Paul A Houle" <ph18(a)cornell.edu&gt;
>           Google's trying to do something entirely different from
> what
>  bugzilla search is trying to do or,  say,  beagle should do on your 
desktop.

Well put. But at the end of the day, the bugzilla search is not
as useful as the Google one, at least for our purpose (that is,
to try to avoid dupes). Why not just use Google instead?

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Dimi Paun <dimi(a)lattica.com&gt;
Lattica, Inc.

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[Lamont R. Peterson]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 08:19am, Dimi Paun wrote:
>  From: "Paul A Houle" <ph18(a)cornell.edu&gt;
>
>  >          Google's trying to do something entirely different from what
>  > bugzilla search is trying to do or,  say,  beagle should do on your
>
>  desktop.
>
>  Well put. But at the end of the day, the bugzilla search is not
>  as useful as the Google one, at least for our purpose (that is,
>  to try to avoid dupes). Why not just use Google instead? 
Might I suggest: s/instead/also/

After all, how hard is it to add a Google search button to the "Zarro Bogos 
Found" screen?  Not hard at all.  So, if I search for a bug in Bugzilla and 
find squat, I can just thumb the Google switch and see if it gives me 
anything.
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

> Might I suggest: s/instead/also/
>
> After all, how hard is it to add a Google search button to the "Zarro Bogos 
> Found" screen?  Not hard at all.  So, if I search for a bug in Bugzilla and 
> find squat, I can just thumb the Google switch and see if it gives me 
> anything.
>   
>  
You know the drill. File a RFE and pass on the link.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers

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[Lamont R. Peterson]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 10:13am, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Hi
>
>  >Might I suggest: s/instead/also/
>  >
>  >After all, how hard is it to add a Google search button to the "Zarro
>  > Bogos Found" screen?  Not hard at all.  So, if I search for a bug in
>  > Bugzilla and find squat, I can just thumb the Google switch and see if it
>  > gives me anything.
>
>  You know the drill. File a RFE and pass on the link. 
Done:  [ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=181661 ]
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Lamont R. Peterson wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 10:13am, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>   
>
> >Hi
> >
> >    
> >
> >>Might I suggest: s/instead/also/
> >>
> >>After all, how hard is it to add a Google search button to the "Zarro
> >>Bogos Found" screen?  Not hard at all.  So, if I search for a bug in
> >>Bugzilla and find squat, I can just thumb the Google switch and see if it
> >>gives me anything.
> >>      
> >>
> >You know the drill. File a RFE and pass on the link.
> >    
> >
>
> Done:  [ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=181661 ]
>   
>  
Thank you.

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