No preupgrade for F17->F18?, [Bug 872876] WONTFIX

[Camilo Mesias]

List,
cc Chris,

I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18.

It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I was
surprised at the response.

If preupgrade is being canned then presumably it needs fixing to no
longer offer the non-working and WONTFIX option to upgrade to F18.

Also if a 'completely separate process that does not involve anaconda'
is mooted then... could preupgrade call that, or refer to it if it's a
manual process?

I understand the focus is on getting a working Anaconda at all at the
moment but this is a loose end that needs tying up I think. What is
the resolution?

-Cam

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872876

Chris Lumens <clumens(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX
        Last Closed|                            |2012-11-05 10:20:25

--- Comment #3 from Chris Lumens <clumens(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
preupgrade is not a supported way to do upgrades in F18.  We will be using a
completly separate process that does not involve anaconda.  If you can
reproduce this doing a fresh install, feel free to reopen this bug.

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[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 10:01 +0000, Camilo Mesias wrote:
>  List,
>  cc Chris,
>  
>  I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18.
>  
>  It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I was
>  surprised at the response.
>  
>  If preupgrade is being canned then presumably it needs fixing to no
>  longer offer the non-working and WONTFIX option to upgrade to F18.
>  
>  Also if a 'completely separate process that does not involve anaconda'
>  is mooted then... could preupgrade call that, or refer to it if it's a
>  manual process? 
The new tool has more or less the same shape as preupgrade. It's a
two-stage process launched from the running system you want to upgrade,
just like preupgrade, but it's all new code. The second stage goes
through dracut, rather than anaconda.

Details on how to test the new system are at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_18_Upgrade_Testing , give it a
shot.

Yes, we should suppress preupgrade from offering upgrades from F17
somehow. The obvious thing would be to mark it as preupgrade-ok=False in
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/releases.txt . I'll ask releng. Dunno
why I didn't think of that before, thanks for the nudge.
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[drago01]

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 10:01 +0000, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> > List,
> > cc Chris,
> >
> > I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18.
> >
> > It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I was
> > surprised at the response.
> >
> > If preupgrade is being canned then presumably it needs fixing to no
> > longer offer the non-working and WONTFIX option to upgrade to F18.
> >
> > Also if a 'completely separate process that does not involve anaconda'
> > is mooted then... could preupgrade call that, or refer to it if it's a
> > manual process?
>
>  The new tool has more or less the same shape as preupgrade. It's a
>  two-stage process launched from the running system you want to upgrade,
>  just like preupgrade, but it's all new code. The second stage goes
>  through dracut, rather than anaconda.
>
>  Details on how to test the new system are at
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_18_Upgrade_Testing , give it a
>  shot.
>
>  Yes, we should suppress preupgrade from offering upgrades from F17
>  somehow. The obvious thing would be to mark it as preupgrade-ok=False in
>  https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/releases.txt . I'll ask releng. Dunno
>  why I didn't think of that before, thanks for the nudge. 
We should make fedup obsolete preupgrade. But we should have a gui first .....

[Camilo Mesias]

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  We should make fedup obsolete preupgrade. But we should have a gui
> first ..... 
I had a look at fedup and it seems in a very early stage of
development - so a bit like the Anaconda change (with hindsight) the
new isn't quite ready to take over at the point the old is no longer
usable. It's unfortunate. Still it looks promising.

I'll test fedup as soon as I dare, are there any plans for a gui?

-Cam

[drago01]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Camilo Mesias <camilo(a)mesias.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
> > We should make fedup obsolete preupgrade. But we should have a gui first .....
>
>  I had a look at fedup and it seems in a very early stage of
>  development - so a bit like the Anaconda change (with hindsight) the
>  new isn't quite ready to take over at the point the old is no longer
>  usable. It's unfortunate. Still it looks promising.
>
>  I'll test fedup as soon as I dare, are there any plans for a gui? 
Yes there is an incomplete gui in the git repo.

[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  List,
>  cc Chris,
>  
>  I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18.
>  
>  It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I
>  was
>  surprised at the response. 
There is now upgrade code in Anaconda and won't be in the future.

>  If preupgrade is being canned then presumably it needs fixing to no
>  longer offer the non-working and WONTFIX option to upgrade to F18. 
Prepupgrade should be probably taken out from F17 (as there's no newer
Fedora that supports preupgrade). In older releases F18 should not
be available (if it's available there).

>  Also if a 'completely separate process that does not involve
>  anaconda'
>  is mooted then... could preupgrade call that, or refer to it if it's
>  a
>  manual process? 
The new tool is called fedup, it's available for Fedora 17 but only CLI
now, GUI is under development (as the whole fedup right now).

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA%3AFedora_18_Upgrade_Testing

Beware, it's still not yet stable and it could lead to non-bootable
system (#873459).

>  I understand the focus is on getting a working Anaconda at all at
> the
>  moment but this is a loose end that needs tying up I think. What is
>  the resolution? 
Upgrade functionality is required for Beta release, see the current
two weeks slip.

Jaroslav

>  -Cam
>  
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>  From:  <bugzilla(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Date: Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:20 PM
>  Subject: [Bug 872876] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no
>  attribute 'name'
>  To: camilo(a)mesias.co.uk
>  
>  
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872876
>  
>  Chris Lumens <clumens(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:
>  
>             What    |Removed                     |Added
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>               Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
>           Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX
>          Last Closed|                            |2012-11-05 10:20:25
>  
>  --- Comment #3 from Chris Lumens <clumens(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
>  preupgrade is not a supported way to do upgrades in F18.  We will be
>  using a
>  completly separate process that does not involve anaconda.  If you
>  can
>  reproduce this doing a fresh install, feel free to reopen this bug.
>  
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[Kevin Kofler]

Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  Prepupgrade should be probably taken out from F17 (as there's no
> newer
>  Fedora that supports preupgrade). 
We can't really "take it out" from the shipped release, fedup will have to 
Obsolete it when it's ready. Until then, marking F18 as preupgrade-ok=False 
should fix the immediate problem.

        Kevin Kofler

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 08:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > Prepupgrade should be probably taken out from F17 (as there's no newer
>  > Fedora that supports preupgrade).
>  
>  We can't really "take it out" from the shipped release, fedup will have to
>
>  Obsolete it when it's ready. Until then, marking F18 as preupgrade-ok=False 
>  should fix the immediate problem. 
I already filed a bug on the former and asked releng to do the latter.
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:38:21 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 08:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  > Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > > Prepupgrade should be probably taken out from F17 (as there's no
>  > > newer Fedora that supports preupgrade).
>  > 
>  > We can't really "take it out" from the shipped release, fedup will
>  > have to Obsolete it when it's ready. Until then, marking F18 as
>  > preupgrade-ok=False should fix the immediate problem.
>  
>  I already filed a bug on the former and asked releng to do the latter. 
I did set preupgrade-ok=False yesterday for f18. 

kevin