5:10 a.m.
After I didn't have much luck with an upgrade of an FC5 box to FC6T3
(see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206913), just
for kicks, I tried "yum upgrade" to a development tree. That failed with
a whole bunch of dependency problems, including things like e2fs*.
Similar situation existed between FC4 and FC5, also on x86_64.
Is "yum upgrade" something that's supposed to work between FC(n) and
FC(n+1) or not?
--
Bojan
7:01 a.m.
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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 20:10 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
After I didn't have much luck with an upgrade of an FC5 box to
FC6T3
(see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206913), just
for kicks, I tried "yum upgrade" to a development tree. That failed with
a whole bunch of dependency problems, including things like e2fs*.
Similar situation existed between FC4 and FC5, also on x86_64.
Is "yum upgrade" something that's supposed to work between FC(n) and
FC(n+1) or not?
--
Bojan
Same here.
I'm getting the same crash when trying to upgrade a FC5 vmware image to
FC6T3 using a DVD Iso file.
Installation log attached. (Both to this mail, and to BZ #206913)
FC/RH should -really- really -really- consider doing a Test4 release.
FC6 is far from being ready from prime time.
- Gilboa
5:05 p.m.
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Gilboa Davara <gilboad <at> gmail.com> writes:
FC/RH should -really- really -really- consider doing a Test4 release.
FC6 is far from being ready from prime time.
I would personally be happy with the state of Rawhide being fixed to the point
that FC5 to Rawhide upgrade works, possibly both from an image and via "yum
upgrade". That would probably be sufficient to guarantee that the release works
as well.
--
Bojan
9:01 p.m.
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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:05 +0000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Gilboa Davara <gilboad <at> gmail.com> writes:
> FC/RH should -really- really -really- consider doing a Test4 release.
> FC6 is far from being ready from prime time.
I would personally be happy with the state of Rawhide being fixed to the point
that FC5 to Rawhide upgrade works, possibly both from an image and via "yum
upgrade". That would probably be sufficient to guarantee that the release works
as well.
--
Bojan
Upgrades have always worked in the past, while it has never been
"officially supported", and there have been issues with it from time to
time requiring some hoop jumping it's always been possible. I'd
certainly want to maintain that functionality.
Along with this and some pretty serious other bugs in x86_64 and the Xen
kernel I'd agree more testing is required.
9:08 p.m.
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 11:01 +0900, Naoki wrote:
On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:05 +0000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> I would personally be happy with the state of Rawhide being
fixed to the point
> that FC5 to Rawhide upgrade works, possibly both from an image and via "yum
> upgrade". That would probably be sufficient to guarantee that the release
works
> as well.
Upgrades have always worked in the past, while it has never been
"officially supported", and there have been issues with it from time to
time requiring some hoop jumping it's always been possible. I'd
certainly want to maintain that functionality.
Actually, upgrades from official stable releases to official stable
releases IS supported, as that is how it's suppose to work. And from
FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work (whether
it does or not as we are in testing mode is a different story, well OK
at this point in the testing it should. But you get my point.)
Err, let me clarify, doing an upgrade via CD, DVD, ISO, using anaconda
or maybe kickstart is supported, not just yum upgrade (guess I could be
wrong on that one as well?).
--
Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
"Sex is like air, it's not important unless your not getting any!"
6:01 a.m.
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Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
And from
FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
anything else (which is a shame)
--
Nicolas Mailhot
8:40 a.m.
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 13:01 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
> And from
> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
I know, just that there is sometimes a hiccup/problem that arises, even
if for an hour or two, and that sometimes it just happens and an
install/upgrade won't work at that time.
--
Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
"Sex is like air, it's not important unless your not getting any!"
11:05 a.m.
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
> And from
> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
anything else (which is a shame)
Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
FC6t3.
Not good.
It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
contains an unknown header of "basepath".
The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
I remove that one package.
--
"Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
- The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration
11:08 a.m.
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alan wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>> And from
>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>
> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let
> the
> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>
> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
> anything else (which is a shame)
Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
FC6t3.
Not good.
It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
contains an unknown header of "basepath".
Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens
if I remove that one package.
Can you check that?
Rahul
11:15 a.m.
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
alan wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
>>
>> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>>> And from
>>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>>
>> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
>> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
>> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>>
>> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
>> anything else (which is a shame)
>
> Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
> FC6t3.
>
> Not good.
>
> It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with an
> exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it contains an
> unknown header of "basepath".
Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.
This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.
> The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and
Freshrpms.net. It
> had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
> problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
> I remove that one package.
Can you check that?
I will tonight. (I stopped working on it at 4:30am this morning. At
least the insomnia was useful for something...)
--
"Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
- The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration
2:18 p.m.
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On 9/19/06, alan <alan(a)clueserver.org> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
>
> Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.
This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.
Then you need to remove it first. One downside of the yum upgrade is
that it does not remove obsolete packages. After I do a yum upgrade,
I always do a "yum list extras" and remove the obsoleted packages.
And it much safer to remove and reinstall packages from third-party
repositories.
- Ian
9:34 p.m.
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
alan wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
>>
>> Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
>>> And from
>>> FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work
>>
>> FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
>> get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
>> devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)
>>
>> What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
>> anything else (which is a shame)
>
> Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
> FC6t3.
>
> Not good.
>
> It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with an
> exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it contains an
> unknown header of "basepath".
Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
>
> The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net. It
> had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
> problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
> I remove that one package.
Can you check that?
Just did.
Here is the list of packages I had to remove to progress any farther:
system-config-mouse
compat-gcc-32
compat-gcc-32-g77
compat-gcc-32-c++
gnu.getopt
mozilla-devel
epiphany-devel
utempter
I actually did not pull utempter and stopped at that point becuase it
wanted me to remove gnome libraries and that was just going to get messy.
A few of these things were left over from FC4, but some were from FC5.
All of them failed with the same error involving "basepath".
This is pretty ugly. Upgrading is pretty much impossible in this state.
--
"Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
- The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration
3:33 a.m.
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 19:34 -0700, alan wrote:
I actually did not pull utempter and stopped at that point becuase it
wanted me to remove gnome libraries and that was just going to get messy.
A few of these things were left over from FC4, but some were from FC5.
All of them failed with the same error involving "basepath".
This is pretty ugly. Upgrading is pretty much impossible in this state.
It's been fixed as of yesterday morning.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206913
You'll either have to wait for a new anaconda build and tree build or
use fc6t3 and an updates.img. If you want the latter let me know and
I'll put one up on people.redhat.com.
Paul
10:14 p.m.
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Paul Nasrat <pnasrat <at> redhat.com> writes:
It's been fixed as of yesterday morning.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206913
You'll either have to wait for a new anaconda build and tree build or
use fc6t3 and an updates.img. If you want the latter let me know and
I'll put one up on people.redhat.com.
Yes, this indeed did work. Thanks for the fix. However....
Upon reboot after the upgrade, I got presented with GRUB's "selected item cannot
fit into memory". OK, probably some kind of a BIOS/HW issue which I latter
solved by telling GRUB "uppermem 2000000" (this box has 2.5 GB or RAM), which
made GRUB sane again.
In the meantime, booted from the rescue CD, got my NIC working and ran "yum
--exclude=orca update" to get myself synced with the development tree. First,
rpm hung, so I had to remove /var/lib/rpm/__db* files. No worries, rpm
--rebuilddb eventually fixed this.
Then, on the second try of "yum --exclude=orca update", a segfault happened to
yum (actually, probably python), which then left my RPM database in "duplicate"
state. Any attempt to run anything after that would cause SELinux to go nuts
(due to SELinux related packages that were out of sync, most likely) and
eventually the kernel panicked (even after the reboot). All right, the selinux=0
boot option eventually worked around that and I got my updates done. Finally, I
removed the duplicate RPMs by applying commands based on this page:
https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-November/005612.html
Of course, because this is a multi arch machine (there are x86_64, i386, i686
and noarch packages present), one has to run:
rpm -qa --qf '%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}.%{ARCH}\n'
Instead of the generic rpm -qa in order to find real, per-arch duplicates.
Anyhow, just letting the list know that upgrading an x86_64 system from FC5 to
FC6T3 and eventually Rawhide can still be a bit of fun.
--
Bojan
3:31 a.m.
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 11:01 +0900, Naoki wrote:
On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 22:05 +0000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> Gilboa Davara <gilboad <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > FC/RH should -really- really -really- consider doing a Test4 release.
> > FC6 is far from being ready from prime time.
>
> I would personally be happy with the state of Rawhide being fixed to the point
> that FC5 to Rawhide upgrade works, possibly both from an image and via "yum
> upgrade". That would probably be sufficient to guarantee that the release
works
> as well.
>
> --
> Bojan
Upgrades have always worked in the past, while it has never been
"officially supported", and there have been issues with it from time to
time requiring some hoop jumping it's always been possible. I'd
certainly want to maintain that functionality.
Along with this and some pretty serious other bugs in x86_64 and the Xen
kernel I'd agree more testing is required.
CD/DVD upgrade from one stable release to a stable release (+n) has
-always- been fully supported.
It is Yum upgrade that is not supported.
- Gilboa
12:39 a.m.
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Bojan Smojver wrote:
Gilboa Davara <gilboad <at> gmail.com> writes:
> FC/RH should -really- really -really- consider doing a Test4 release.
> FC6 is far from being ready from prime time.
I would personally be happy with the state of Rawhide being fixed to
the point
that FC5 to Rawhide upgrade works, possibly both from an image and via
"yum
upgrade". That would probably be sufficient to guarantee that the
release works
as well.
yum upgrade works, I just did that. No major issues, though many
failures on gtk-update-icon-cache - looks like a missing glib symbol.
--
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.
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