Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
Peace
Arthur
-- To be updated...
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
Peace
Arthur
It may look nice, but it is largely unpolished (backend) and still uses some of the old Lycoris scripts from when we (former Lycoris) first implemented it.
I would say a big thumbs down :-(
Just my 2cents.
On 8/21/06, Michael J. Knox michael@knox.net.nz wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
Peace
Arthur
It may look nice, but it is largely unpolished (backend) and still uses some of the old Lycoris scripts from when we (former Lycoris) first implemented it.
I would say a big thumbs down :-(
Just my 2cents.
Fair enough, but I was more interested in the idea (ideal?) behind it as opposed to the code., as in something in python to centralise access to the system config tools.
The DEs have their own similiar apps, but I believe (hope) that they only go as far as configuring DE level things (wallpapers, themes, window behavior, etc).
As much as I am not a WIndows fan, I think their control panel was a good idea, which could be expanded upon.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel. Maybe something the Usability SIG can look into ?
luke
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 01:16:42AM -0400, Luke Macken wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel.
...and by gnome-control-panel I mean gnome-control-center.
Luke Macken wrote:
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 01:16:42AM -0400, Luke Macken wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel.
...and by gnome-control-panel I mean gnome-control-center.
Personally I like Slab
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=199681
Rahul
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:01:44 +0530 Rahul sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Luke Macken wrote:
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 01:16:42AM -0400, Luke Macken wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel.
...and by gnome-control-panel I mean gnome-control-center.
Personally I like Slab
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=199681
Rahul
I've been using Slab (AKA the "Control-Center" and the "gnome-main-menu") with both gnome and xfce-4.4beta2 (and now xfce-4.4rc1) [1] for the last 3 weeks and I've come to *really* like it / them. Admittedly my first reaction to the style of the control-center was NOT very nice but having everything together in one place where you can see it ALL in a quick glance is rather handy! My thanks go out to those involved in packaging it for Fedora and to Rahul for pointing it out.
Regards, Myles
[1] using the xfapplet plugin to add the 'gnome-main-menu' to the xfce-panel.
On 8/22/06, Luke Macken lmacken@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel. Maybe something the Usability SIG can look into ?
What about those of us who do not use gnome?
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 00:30, "Arthur Pemberton" pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/06, Luke Macken lmacken@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
I'd rather see people put some effort in cleaning up gnome-control-panel. Maybe something the Usability SIG can look into ?
What about those of us who do not use gnome?
KDE's Control Center, kcontrol, is already much better than anything GNOME has, IMNSHO. ;-) I'm sure you'll hear many different opinions with regard to centralized configuration programs, but I don't imagine there would be anything wrong with creating a simple front-end to tie the assorted system-config-* tools together. I believe some work has already been done to that end, though I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. If somebody were to build such a thing, I'm sure many people would enjoy it.
On 8/22/06, Patrick W. Barnes nman64@n-man.com wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 00:30, "Arthur Pemberton" pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/06, Luke Macken lmacken@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
KDE's Control Center, kcontrol, is already much better than anything GNOME has, IMNSHO. ;-) I'm sure you'll hear many different opinions with regard to centralized configuration programs, but I don't imagine there would be anything wrong with creating a simple front-end to tie the assorted system-config-* tools together. I believe some work has already been done to that end, though I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. If somebody were to build such a thing, I'm sure many people would enjoy it.
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
Deji
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On 8/22/06, Deji Akingunola dakingun@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/06, Patrick W. Barnes nman64@n-man.com wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 00:30, "Arthur Pemberton" pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/06, Luke Macken lmacken@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:53:53PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
KDE's Control Center, kcontrol, is already much better than anything GNOME has, IMNSHO. ;-) I'm sure you'll hear many different opinions with regard to centralized configuration programs, but I don't imagine there would be anything wrong with creating a simple front-end to tie the assorted system-config-* tools together. I believe some work has already been done to that end, though I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. If somebody were to build such a thing, I'm sure many people would enjoy it.
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
I will give it a try and then get back to this thread.
Deji
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[ snip
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
For anyone curious, here is a screenshot of system-config-control, not exactly friendly IMHO.
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/snapshots/system-config-control.png
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
[ snip
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
For anyone curious, here is a screenshot of system-config-control, not exactly friendly IMHO.
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/snapshots/system-config-control.png
this looks useless to me ...
dragoran wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
[ snip
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
For anyone curious, here is a screenshot of system-config-control, not exactly friendly IMHO.
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/snapshots/system-config-control.png
this looks useless to me ...
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
Rahul wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
[ snip
There is a system-config-control in extras, which is kind of an almagamation of various system-config-* tools in FC.
For anyone curious, here is a screenshot of system-config-control, not exactly friendly IMHO.
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/snapshots/system-config-control.png
this looks useless to me ...
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
dragoran wrote:
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
That just a collection of all preferences display in a single window. Not very different from the slab control panel. Magic urls have been progressively removed from nautilus. Either write up new tools or fix system-config-control to be a better user interface. Contribute.
Rahul
Rahul wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
That just a collection of all preferences display in a single window. Not very different from the slab control panel. Magic urls have been progressively removed from nautilus. Either write up new tools or fix system-config-control to be a better user interface. Contribute.
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
http://www.poolshark.org/system-config-control.png
-denis
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 17:32 +0200, Denis Leroy napisał(a):
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
Fight!
http://Lam.pl/s-c-c-1.png Nice localization, one button is in polish (this is where I can help if it doesn't end like my translation of Anaconda - never again!)
The great thing is that it tells me which package to install to have some utility (because they don't appear in the GNOME menu until I don't install them, so how can I know I even can install anything more?), but unfortunately, it lies, as is shown in the terminal in the background.
http://Lam.pl/s-c-c-2.png The menu looks worse than KDE! ;)
Lam
Leszek Matok wrote:
http://Lam.pl/s-c-c-1.png Nice localization, one button is in polish (this is where I can help if it doesn't end like my translation of Anaconda - never again!)
The great thing is that it tells me which package to install to have some utility (because they don't appear in the GNOME menu until I don't install them, so how can I know I even can install anything more?), but unfortunately, it lies, as is shown in the terminal in the background.
Yes, I really like that feature: by default show ALL available control panels even those not installed. It'd be nice if it had an 'Install' button from that popup that would launch Pirut...
Leszek Matok wrote:
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 17:32 +0200, Denis Leroy napisał(a):
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
Fight!
And now, slab:
http://www.poolshark.org/slab.png http://www.poolshark.org/slab.avi
I say: ship it!
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 13:36, Denis Leroy wrote:
And now, slab:
Because there's nothing like blindly copying Windows XP design...
http://www.sonoma.edu/it/resnet/images/winxp_control_panel.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows_XP_Control_Panel.png
*sigh*
On 8/22/06, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 13:36, Denis Leroy wrote:
And now, slab:
Because there's nothing like blindly copying Windows XP design...
http://www.sonoma.edu/it/resnet/images/winxp_control_panel.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows_XP_Control_Panel.png
*sigh*
-- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 14:35 -0400, Jesse Keating napisał(a):
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Don't take it as an offense, but are you into "let's do it less practical, only to make it different than Windows (and now SuSE)"? We should be talking about technical aspects, usability, user-friendliness and so on, not about Windows, who cares about them? :)
Lam
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 14:35 -0400, skrev Jesse Keating:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Rejecting concepts because they happen to resemble those find in another OS is the best of reasons.
- David Nielsen
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:39, David Nielsen wrote:
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 14:35 -0400, skrev Jesse Keating:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Rejecting concepts because they happen to resemble those find in another OS is the best of reasons.
I don't reject the concept in whole. The Control Center part of it looks like a slightly better way of representing gnome's control-center, plus a few other things. How does this scale for KDE, or any other window manager?
What I don't like is the slab menu that is pretty much modeled to be the default XP start menu thing. For THAT I haven't seen much useful reasoning as to why it should be used rather than the menu system that we use, of upstream Gnome. This is what feels like copying for copying sake.
On 8/22/06, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:39, David Nielsen wrote:
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 14:35 -0400, skrev Jesse Keating:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Rejecting concepts because they happen to resemble those find in another OS is the best of reasons.
I don't reject the concept in whole. The Control Center part of it looks like a slightly better way of representing gnome's control-center, plus a few other things. How does this scale for KDE, or any other window manager?
Which is why I think this _should_ be a standalone , Gtk app. WIth all respect to the apperently large number of Gnome guys.
What I don't like is the slab menu that is pretty much modeled to be the default XP start menu thing.
Hadn't noticed that, will have to look more closely again.
For THAT I haven't seen much useful reasoning as to why it should be used rather than the menu system that we use, of upstream Gnome. This is what feels like copying for copying sake.
Once your reason isn't "because it is in Windows" then I understand.
No promises, but I will attempt something in Glade some time this week and post screenshots.
Actually if you look at the betterdesktop movies where they plant innocent users behind a relatively default gnome setup, you will recognize a lot of the 'problems' those people had that slab tries to address.
I'd full heartedly recommend watching them, its a nice way to learn about the confusions a end user could have
ps what is the current menu other then a copy of the win95 menu? So why not 'upgrade' *pun intended* :-)
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:39, David Nielsen wrote:
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 14:35 -0400, skrev Jesse Keating:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Rejecting concepts because they happen to resemble those find in another OS is the best of reasons.
I don't reject the concept in whole. The Control Center part of it looks like a slightly better way of representing gnome's control-center, plus a few other things. How does this scale for KDE, or any other window manager?
What I don't like is the slab menu that is pretty much modeled to be the default XP start menu thing. For THAT I haven't seen much useful reasoning as to why it should be used rather than the menu system that we use, of upstream Gnome. This is what feels like copying for copying sake.
If people here are serious about a better control-center shell, the right mailing list is gnomecc-list@gnome.org. There is a discussion about improving the shell and grouping of capplets going on there right now...
Matthias
On 8/23/06, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
If people here are serious about a better control-center shell, the right mailing list is gnomecc-list@gnome.org. There is a discussion about improving the shell and grouping of capplets going on there right now...
Matthias
Could we please not have a DE specific solution? A PyGTK app should be able to do the job.
On 8/23/06, Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/23/06, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
If people here are serious about a better control-center shell, the right mailing list is gnomecc-list@gnome.org. There is a discussion about improving the shell and grouping of capplets going on there right now...
Matthias
Could we please not have a DE specific solution? A PyGTK app should be able to do the job.
I think people are mixing up the issue here, some are talking about system-config-* tools which are system wide and requires root priviledge to modify, while others are focusing on the DE controls. I believe Matthias is more particular about gnome-control-panel. KDE has Kcontrol which KDE people seems to be content with.
Deji
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I agree on with Keating's comment that copying for copying sake is wrong, and we should do original things with Fedora. On the Other hand though, I think we should strive to have a better centralized configuration center that would allow users to easily and confidently configure their systems. I could get a mockup of what I personally think it should look like, but I would leave it open to everyone else to decide how it should work. (mainly I don't know how program very well due to lack of language knowledge) I could also compile a list of what user's want, and put it into the mockup and discription and submit it to you guys and get to work on Fedora's centralized frontend to the system-config-* tools.
--cjr
On 8/22/06, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:39, David Nielsen wrote:
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 14:35 -0400, skrev Jesse Keating:
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 14:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
However, would you disagree that Windows Control Panel is
functional?
Functional to an extent. However I'm not into "lets do it this way because Windows (and now SuSE) do it this way too".
Rejecting concepts because they happen to resemble those find in another OS is the best of reasons.
I don't reject the concept in whole. The Control Center part of it looks like a slightly better way of representing gnome's control-center, plus a few other things. How does this scale for KDE, or any other window manager?
What I don't like is the slab menu that is pretty much modeled to be the default XP start menu thing. For THAT I haven't seen much useful reasoning as to why it should be used rather than the menu system that we use, of upstream Gnome. This is what feels like copying for copying sake.
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leomon wrote:
I agree on with Keating's comment that copying for copying sake is wrong, and we should do original things with Fedora. On the Other hand though, I think we should strive to have a better centralized configuration center that would allow users to easily and confidently configure their systems. I could get a mockup of what I personally think it should look like, but I would leave it open to everyone else to decide how it should work. (mainly I don't know how program very well due to lack of language knowledge) I could also compile a list of what user's want, and put it into the mockup and discription and submit it to you guys and get to work on Fedora's centralized frontend to the system-config-* tools.
I think the more mockups that are submitted the better. There should be a wiki page to pool all the submissions or perhaps take it upstream (gnome, KDE). Something that work across different desktop environment would be preferable. However, while everyone thinks that they are the experts at knowing what people want, I think that we should give some weight to the studies done at http://www.betterdesktop.org. I personally like slab because it's functional, centralized, polished and it's in line with what's need. That's not to say the someone out there can't come up with a better design. We have to be careful not to spend a lifetime trying to find the next best thing JUST BECAUSE someone else came up with the current best thing.
Demond
On 8/22/06, Denis Leroy denis@poolshark.org wrote:
Leszek Matok wrote:
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 17:32 +0200, Denis Leroy napisał(a):
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
Fight!
And now, slab:
http://www.poolshark.org/slab.png http://www.poolshark.org/slab.avi
I say: ship it!
It looks nice, but a few things: - it is the kind of "control centre" that a DE should provide, I would suggest replicating it instead of adding two it - what is the "control center" icon for? it seems recursive - what did you use to make the .avi?
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
It looks nice, but a few things:
- it is the kind of "control centre" that a DE should provide, I would
suggest replicating it instead of adding two it
That's really a question of personal preference. I agree with Jesse that it also looks a lot like Windows XP. OTOH, it looks more finished and usable than the alternatives...
- what is the "control center" icon for? it seems recursive
Yes it seems like an unfortunate side effect. They would have to add some code to specifically blacklist themselves from the list...
- what did you use to make the .avi?
That was a VM, so I used the Capture Movie feature of VMWare Workstation. I need to figure out a way to reencode in theora...
-d
Ps Slab is ready for review to be included in FE:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=199681
If anyone has some free moments feel free to start the review process :-)
Am still trying to add some finishing touches to the functionality to fix an upstream bug (make it recognise the correct home mount on lvm/dmraid etc systems), but the package is otherwise fully ready
-- Chris
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On 8/22/06, Denis Leroy denis@poolshark.org wrote:
Leszek Matok wrote:
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 17:32 +0200, Denis Leroy napisał(a):
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
Fight!
And now, slab:
http://www.poolshark.org/slab.png http://www.poolshark.org/slab.avi
I say: ship it!
It looks nice, but a few things:
- it is the kind of "control centre" that a DE should provide, I would
suggest replicating it instead of adding two it
- what is the "control center" icon for? it seems recursive
- what did you use to make the .avi?
On 8/22/06, Leszek Matok Lam@lam.pl wrote:
Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 17:32 +0200, Denis Leroy napisał(a):
To be honest, I thought Arthur's screenshot was not quite fair to system-config-control. Here's another one :
Fight!
http://Lam.pl/s-c-c-1.png Nice localization, one button is in polish (this is where I can help if it doesn't end like my translation of Anaconda - never again!)
The great thing is that it tells me which package to install to have some utility (because they don't appear in the GNOME menu until I don't install them, so how can I know I even can install anything more?), but unfortunately, it lies, as is shown in the terminal in the background.
http://Lam.pl/s-c-c-2.png The menu looks worse than KDE! ;)
Lam
Offtopic: I noticed logwatch in your terminal (background) whatever happened to that? Seemed to have dissappeared from Fedora.
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Offtopic: I noticed logwatch in your terminal (background) whatever happened to that? Seemed to have dissappeared from Fedora.
gnome-system-log provides the same functionality and is part of gnome-utils which has been split up into several packages in the development tree.
Rahul
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:08:35PM +0530, Rahul wrote:
Offtopic: I noticed logwatch in your terminal (background) whatever happened to that? Seemed to have dissappeared from Fedora.
gnome-system-log provides the same functionality and is part of gnome-utils which has been split up into several packages in the development tree.
Errr, of system-logviewer, not logwatch, right?
Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:08:35PM +0530, Rahul wrote:
Offtopic: I noticed logwatch in your terminal (background) whatever happened to that? Seemed to have dissappeared from Fedora.
gnome-system-log provides the same functionality and is part of gnome-utils which has been split up into several packages in the development tree.
Errr, of system-logviewer, not logwatch, right?
Right. Sorry for any confusion.
Rahul
Rahul wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
That just a collection of all preferences display in a single window. Not very different from the slab control panel.
sure its basicly the same but one difference: (gnome) user use nautilus every day and has got used to the nautilus interface so having something like it for system-config-* would only make it easier for the users. as for slab I have not looked at it yet but will do it know...
Magic urls have been progressively removed from nautilus. Either write up new tools or fix system-config-control to be a better user interface. Contribute.
at first we have to agree on what a better user interface should look like, a app with some buttons is not very different from the gnome-menu (like system-config-control)
Rahul
dragoran wrote:
Rahul wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
That just a collection of all preferences display in a single window. Not very different from the slab control panel.
sure its basicly the same but one difference: (gnome) user use nautilus every day and has got used to the nautilus interface so having something like it for system-config-* would only make it easier for the users. as for slab I have not looked at it yet but will do it know...
Magic urls have been progressively removed from nautilus. Either write up new tools or fix system-config-control to be a better user interface. Contribute.
at first we have to agree on what a better user interface should look like, a app with some buttons is not very different from the gnome-menu (like system-config-control)
Rahul
ok I downloaded and build the slab rpm and it looks much better then system-config-control.
On 8/22/06, dragoran dragoran@feuerpokemon.de wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Rahul wrote:
dragoran wrote:
Excellent. Now lets see people here do better.
Rahul
we had something better in the past (Redhat Linux (- FC1?)) the start-here:/// nautilus window....
That just a collection of all preferences display in a single window. Not very different from the slab control panel.
sure its basicly the same but one difference: (gnome) user use nautilus every day and has got used to the nautilus interface so having something like it for system-config-* would only make it easier for the users. as for slab I have not looked at it yet but will do it know...
Magic urls have been progressively removed from nautilus. Either write up new tools or fix system-config-control to be a better user interface. Contribute.
at first we have to agree on what a better user interface should look like, a app with some buttons is not very different from the gnome-menu (like system-config-control)
Rahul
ok I downloaded and build the slab rpm and it looks much better then system-config-control.
For those of us not running gnome, could please provide a screenshot? I wil host it if necessary.
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Dnia 22-08-2006, wto o godzinie 13:10 -0500, Arthur Pemberton napisał(a):
For those of us not running gnome, could please provide a screenshot? I wil host it if necessary.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-August/msg00899.html
I'm upgrading MPlayer and stuff from (you know where) right now, maybe it's possible to see the video under Fedora :)
Lam
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just taking a look at an article I came across on /. about Ark Linux, they seem to have an app which seems like a good idea called "Mission Control".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2005668,00.asp
What do you guys think about it, in reference to inclusion of someting similiar into Fedora?
Peace
Arthur
Feel free to submit it to Extras...
As far as the screenshots, it looks too much like windows!! :-) I think the Gnome/Fedora theme needs its own GUI "identity", not something that's an *exact* copy of some other OS GUI...