Does a change approved for f39 need reapproval for f40?

[Jonathan Wakely]

This change got approved  for f39 but couldn't be done in time:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F39ModernizeTBB

Does it need to be re-proposed and approved for f40, or can we just do it
now? (in a side tag, as planned, of course).

[Ben Cotton]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 2:56 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  This change got approved  for f39 but couldn't be done in time:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F39ModernizeTBB
>
>  Does it need to be re-proposed and approved for f40, or can we just do it now? (in a side
> tag, as planned, of course). 
No, just do it:

>  Changes that cannot be completed will automatically be deferred to
> the next release and do not require re-submission unless substantial revisions are made.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_policy/#_...

Since there's not a program manager (or the newly-created operations
architect) in place, you'll probably want to do the deferral paperwork
yourself:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/pgm_guide/sop/cha...

-- 
Ben Cotton (he/him)
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bcotton

[Fabio Valentini]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:43 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 2:56 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > This change got approved  for f39 but couldn't be done in time:
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F39ModernizeTBB
>  >
>  > Does it need to be re-proposed and approved for f40, or can we just do it now? (in a
> side tag, as planned, of course).
>
>  No, just do it:
>
>  > Changes that cannot be completed will automatically be deferred to the next release
> and do not require re-submission unless substantial revisions are made. 
Speaking with my packager and FESCo hats on, I think it would also
still be OK to push the change to both F40 *and* F39, so there
wouldn't even be a need to defer at all. If you want to go this route,
it might be good to ask FESCo for guidance (i.e. file a ticket), but I
think the likelihood that we'll just tell you "go ahead with the
changes in both F40 and F39" is pretty high. :)

Fabio

[Jonathan Wakely]

Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
FESCO dropped the change:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144

So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 20:49, Fabio Valentini <decathorpe(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:43 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 2:56 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >
>  > > This change got approved  for f39 but couldn't be done in time:
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F39ModernizeTBB
>  > >
>  > > Does it need to be re-proposed and approved for f40, or can we just do it now?
> (in a side tag, as planned, of course).
>  >
>  > No, just do it:
>  >
>  > > Changes that cannot be completed will automatically be deferred to the next
> release and do not require re-submission unless substantial revisions are made.
>
>  Speaking with my packager and FESCo hats on, I think it would also
>  still be OK to push the change to both F40 *and* F39, so there
>  wouldn't even be a need to defer at all. If you want to go this route,
>  it might be good to ask FESCo for guidance (i.e. file a ticket), but I
>  think the likelihood that we'll just tell you "go ahead with the
>  changes in both F40 and F39" is pretty high. :)
>
>  Fabio
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[Ian McInerney]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
>  FESCO dropped the change:
>  https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144
>
>  So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?
>  
My reading of the email replies to the FESCO minutes when they announced
this (
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...)
is that they want an entirely new change proposal for it... since they
apparently didn't think anyone was working on it and that it was completely
abandoned even though you had emailed that you were working on it.

-Ian


>  On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 20:49, Fabio Valentini <decathorpe(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:43 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > >
>  > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 2:56 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > This change got approved  for f39 but couldn't be done in time:
>  > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F39ModernizeTBB
>  > > >
>  > > > Does it need to be re-proposed and approved for f40, or can we just
>  do it now? (in a side tag, as planned, of course).
>  > >
>  > > No, just do it:
>  > >
>  > > > Changes that cannot be completed will automatically be deferred to
>  the next release and do not require re-submission unless substantial
>  revisions are made.
>  >
>  > Speaking with my packager and FESCo hats on, I think it would also
>  > still be OK to push the change to both F40 *and* F39, so there
>  > wouldn't even be a need to defer at all. If you want to go this route,
>  > it might be good to ask FESCo for guidance (i.e. file a ticket), but I
>  > think the likelihood that we'll just tell you "go ahead with the
>  > changes in both F40 and F39" is pretty high. :)
>  >
>  > Fabio
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[Jonathan Wakely]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 14:24, Ian McInerney via devel
<devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
> > FESCO dropped the change:
> > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144
> >
> > So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?
>
>
>  My reading of the email replies to the FESCO minutes when they announced this
> (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...)
> is that they want an entirely new change proposal for it... since they apparently
> didn't think anyone was working on it and that it was completely abandoned even though
> you had emailed that you were working on it. 
Drat. I finally have some time to pick up the work on it (having
inherited the change from trodgers after he left) and now I can't do
it! That's kinda annoying, as I had mailed the list about it. I
probably should have updated the change to make myself the owner.

Fingers crossed I'll still be able to make time for it after it gets
re-approved. I'll submit a new change.

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 10:55 AM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 14:24, Ian McInerney via devel
>  <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
>  >> FESCO dropped the change:
>  >> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144
>  >>
>  >> So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?
>  >
>  >
>  > My reading of the email replies to the FESCO minutes when they announced this
> (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...)
> is that they want an entirely new change proposal for it... since they apparently
> didn't think anyone was working on it and that it was completely abandoned even though
> you had emailed that you were working on it.
>
>  Drat. I finally have some time to pick up the work on it (having
>  inherited the change from trodgers after he left) and now I can't do
>  it! That's kinda annoying, as I had mailed the list about it. I
>  probably should have updated the change to make myself the owner.
>
>  Fingers crossed I'll still be able to make time for it after it gets
>  re-approved. I'll submit a new change. 
If it's substantially the same, just update the wiki page and ask
Aoife to create the FESCo ticket so we can approve it again.




--
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Aoife Moloney]

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry this (among other things Im sure) fell through the cracks while we
were without a Fedora Program Manager :(

I will re-announce this on discourse as this is how the process for a
change targeting F40 goes, and open a new ticket to FESCo after about a
week or so, and thank you for cleaning up the wiki, it makes it much easier
to see the discussion surrounding the change from its initial proposal for
F39 by separating it out in the Current Status section. I'll remove the
discussion links, tracker bug and fesco ticket for the F40 section and
re-add with F40 links.


Kindest regards,
Aoife

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 3:16 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 10:55 AM Jonathan Wakely
> <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 14:24, Ian McInerney via devel
>  > <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >> Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
>  > >> FESCO dropped the change:
>  > >> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144
>  > >>
>  > >> So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > My reading of the email replies to the FESCO minutes when they
>  announced this (
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...)
>  is that they want an entirely new change proposal for it... since they
>  apparently didn't think anyone was working on it and that it was completely
>  abandoned even though you had emailed that you were working on it.
>  >
>  > Drat. I finally have some time to pick up the work on it (having
>  > inherited the change from trodgers after he left) and now I can't do
>  > it! That's kinda annoying, as I had mailed the list about it. I
>  > probably should have updated the change to make myself the owner.
>  >
>  > Fingers crossed I'll still be able to make time for it after it gets
>  > re-approved. I'll submit a new change.
>
>  If it's substantially the same, just update the wiki page and ask
>  Aoife to create the FESCo ticket so we can approve it again.
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
>
>  
-- 

Aoife Moloney

Fedora Operations Architect

Fedora Project

Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im

IRC: amoloney

[Jonathan Wakely]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 at 14:26, Aoife Moloney <amoloney(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Jonathan,
>
>  Sorry this (among other things Im sure) fell through the cracks while we
>  were without a Fedora Program Manager :(
>  
Yep, completely understandable. It wouldn't have been a problem if I had
started the work sooner!


>  I will re-announce this on discourse as this is how the process for
> a
>  change targeting F40 goes, and open a new ticket to FESCo after about a
>  week or so, and thank you for cleaning up the wiki, it makes it much easier
>  to see the discussion surrounding the change from its initial proposal for
>  F39 by separating it out in the Current Status section. I'll remove the
>  discussion links, tracker bug and fesco ticket for the F40 section and
>  re-add with F40 links.
>  
Great, thanks.


>  Kindest regards,
>  Aoife
>
>  On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 3:16 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 10:55 AM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 14:24, Ian McInerney via devel
> > > <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 2:06 PM Jonathan Wakely <jwakely(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Well it looks like I took too long to do the deferral to F40, and so
> > > >> FESCO dropped the change:
> > > >> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3059#comment-875144
> > > >>
> > > >> So now do I need to re-submit as a fresh change for F40?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My reading of the email replies to the FESCO minutes when they
> > announced this (
> >
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...)
> > is that they want an entirely new change proposal for it... since they
> > apparently didn't think anyone was working on it and that it was completely
> > abandoned even though you had emailed that you were working on it.
> > >
> > > Drat. I finally have some time to pick up the work on it (having
> > > inherited the change from trodgers after he left) and now I can't do
> > > it! That's kinda annoying, as I had mailed the list about it. I
> > > probably should have updated the change to make myself the owner.
> > >
> > > Fingers crossed I'll still be able to make time for it after it gets
> > > re-approved. I'll submit a new change.
> >
> > If it's substantially the same, just update the wiki page and ask
> > Aoife to create the FESCo ticket so we can approve it again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
> >
> >
>
>  --
>
>  Aoife Moloney
>
>  Fedora Operations Architect
>
>  Fedora Project
>
>  Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im
>
>  IRC: amoloney
>
>
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