Oh and my reason for starting this thtead is bc i dont think we should ask for reg fee
until funding is decided. It would simplify and lessen confusion imho.
~m
On June 23, 2017 9:39:54 PM EDT, "Máirín Duffy" <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
There's also:
3) i *really* want to come to flock but i cannot afford it on my own
(US is expensive, visas are expensive, maybe they are a student or
unemployed or otherwise not of means) so i need funding help and part
of the reason im proposing a talk is to better my funding chances but
if i dont get funding i cant go and i dont want to pay for reg when i
cant even go
I think #3 is like 80% of the cases here at the least.
Making people pay to register for something theyre not able to go to
seems scammy to me.
~m
On June 23, 2017 12:24:58 PM EDT, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller
><mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>> Many speakers (~20) did not register for Flock when submitting
their
>>> proposals. They didn't want to register because they weren't going
>>> to come unless their proposal was accepted.
>>
>> Maybe this is harsh, but my first reaction is that people who aren't
>> interested in coming if their session proposal isn't accepted have
>the
>> wrong motiviation for Flock anyway. I think we solve this simply by
>> requiring registration to submit.
>
>There are two main cases:
>
>1) I want to attend Flock, but I cannot get my employer/sponsor to
>fund it if I do not get a talk accepted
>2) I want to attend Flock to present about $my_thing but that's about
>it
>
>You can message to death about not needing to be accepted to be part
>of Flock in the case of 1, but that's a really hard concept for
>employers to get their head around. It comes off as "yeah, send your
>people to Flock because we want more attendees!", which makes it no
>different than any other conference that just wants people. If you
>add an explicit *invite* system for people needed and why they are
>needed, that helps. But I suspect you'll have a lot of people not
>registering until they get their talk submitted because of that
>reason.
>
>The second case is probably more in line with your reaction. I'm sure
>there are people that fall somewhere in between those two though.
>
>josh
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