9:40 a.m.
Hi folks,
Last year, we had:
67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally, we've
focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
job in previous years.)
Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive answers to these
questions.
We have at least one sponsor considering providing "speaker gifts", but
we need to tell them how many speakers we expect to have.
~tom
==
Red Hat
9:56 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote:
Hi folks,
Last year, we had:
67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
I continue to believe fewer tracks and talks, and replacing the extra
time with workshops led to get things done, would be great for Flock.
Too much content means speakers are talking to only a few people in
some cases, which is hardly worth giving a talk for (not to mention
subsidizing travel in some cases).
Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally,
we've
focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
job in previous years.)
Personally I would rather not use up valuable time on them, given my
earlier stance. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest fewer
tracks and talks and then further eat into talk opportunities with
more keynotes.
Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
This was not nailed down, but we suggested a 6 week period would be
appropriate. I would suggest we use March 14 as a deadline. We could
optionally extend to April 1 (no joke) if needed, which is
F-minus-4months for scheduling.
Whatever deadline we choose, I volunteer to put out a F-Mag
article and internal info about the deadline.
Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive answers
to these
questions.
I'd like to see a weekly Flock planning meeting at this point. We
need to start picking up the momentum now that SCaLE/FOSDEM/DevConf
sprint is over. A lot of these issues revolve around money and
internal mechanics, so I'm fine if that happens on a call.
We have at least one sponsor considering providing "speaker
gifts", but
we need to tell them how many speakers we expect to have.
Ack. Jen, will you set up a call for next week?
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10:01 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
Last year, we had:
67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally, we've
This is all dependent on the number of submissions we actually get of
course. Let's assume we'll get enough quality talks to do whatever we
want.
I thought last year's balance was just about right, with the
exceptions of the council/fesco sessions. I think people are somewhat
tired of those at Flock and they aren't well attended any longer. If
we do them again, they should be more talk style instead of
roundtable.
The feedback I got while we were there is that the workshop days were
excellent. People want to come together to do things, and the ability
to do that was what people seemed to like the best. I'd recommend no
change there.
If we want to change the talk days, I'd say no less than 4 tracks of
talks and a 5th being the hallway track. If we do less, we have to
accept fewer talks. If we accept fewer talks, our attendance numbers
drop. That is particularly true for people who get funding from their
company only if they are a speaker.
focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot
of
difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
job in previous years.)
I have to think about this more. The keynotes from last year were
fantastic, but we're going to be hard pressed to find people that are
relevant and willing to come to Europe and give a talk.
josh
10:07 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Last year, we had:
> 67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
> 3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
> 34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
> 24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
>
> In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
> for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
>
> Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
I continue to believe fewer tracks and talks, and replacing the extra
time with workshops led to get things done, would be great for Flock.
Too much content means speakers are talking to only a few people in
some cases, which is hardly worth giving a talk for (not to mention
subsidizing travel in some cases).
See my other email about attendance though. It's a balance, and we
cannot pretend that our attendees are not made up of mostly speakers.
> Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally,
we've
> focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
> difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
> unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
> job in previous years.)
Personally I would rather not use up valuable time on them, given my
earlier stance. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest fewer
tracks and talks and then further eat into talk opportunities with
more keynotes.
> Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
This was not nailed down, but we suggested a 6 week period would be
appropriate. I would suggest we use March 14 as a deadline. We could
optionally extend to April 1 (no joke) if needed, which is
F-minus-4months for scheduling.
Whatever deadline we choose, I volunteer to put out a F-Mag
article and internal info about the deadline.
We need to include the information about no votes. That wasn't
included in the Flock announce. That also means we need to figure out
our talk selection committee. Spot and I can probably do that.
> Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive
answers to these
> questions.
I'd like to see a weekly Flock planning meeting at this point. We
No meeting without a clear agenda. I'm not convinced we're going to
make progress on enough things to meet weekly yet. I'd suggest every
other week. Or really, I'd suggest a weekly status email from people
that own action items and only meet as a whole if there's something we
cannot work on via email. We need action, not meetings.
Besides, most of the people that would be involved in said meeting
already have a ton of meetings. Scheduling another would be a
headache.
josh
10:08 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote:
Last year, we had:
67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
This is about a third of the attendance, right? I guess there are two
factors in that: first, it's a contributor conference, and so we have a
high percentage of people with an interest in presenting; and second,
the funding issue (where companies, including Red Hat outside of the
Fedora community budget, are much more likely to fund travel for
speakers).
3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
Wasn't it 6? I mean, not even counting the Awesome Track?
24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
I still think fewer tracks is better, but I'm not sure how to get the
right balance. I'm pretty sure six is too many. I've already suggested
doing lightning talks as a plenary session (that is, in the big room
with no competing tracks), and that's in the CFP, and maybe emphasizing
that even more as we promote this could help. Slice by time rather than
by location, basically. (Maybe even doing at and leaving the number of
tracks relatively high at other times.) Then presenters could choose
between longer time with a narrower audience or shorter time with a
wider one.
Hmmm, in fact, for the narrower audience, perhaps a workshop is more
appropriate than a talk -- or a workshop linked with an opening
presentation.
Also, at DevConf.cz just now, we had a Q&A session that was basically
"AMA for anyone in attendance in Fedora leadership in some way". For
Flock, that might be a bit too open -- but maybe not.
Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally,
we've
focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
job in previous years.)
I think that's been good, and I think two is a decent number. I don't
know who has the baton for this, either.
Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
Yeah :)
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
10:11 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:01:34AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
I thought last year's balance was just about right, with the
exceptions of the council/fesco sessions. I think people are somewhat
tired of those at Flock and they aren't well attended any longer. If
we do them again, they should be more talk style instead of
roundtable.
I though the simialar thing we just did at DevConf.cz was good -- did
you have a different impression, or do you think the situation is
different at Flock?
If we want to change the talk days, I'd say no less than 4 tracks
of
talks and a 5th being the hallway track. If we do less, we have to
Hmmm, do you literally mean having a "hallway track" on the schedule?
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
10:18 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:01:34AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> I thought last year's balance was just about right, with the
> exceptions of the council/fesco sessions. I think people are somewhat
> tired of those at Flock and they aren't well attended any longer. If
> we do them again, they should be more talk style instead of
> roundtable.
I though the simialar thing we just did at DevConf.cz was good -- did
you have a different impression, or do you think the situation is
different at Flock?
The DevConf.cz session was good. I think the situation is different
at Flock. We keep getting the same attendees, which leads to people
that mostly already know things, which leads to poor attendance and
few questions. The difference in audience tends to lend itself to a
better session when they might not be as familiar with the things
FESCo and the Council are doing.
> If we want to change the talk days, I'd say no less than 4
tracks of
> talks and a 5th being the hallway track. If we do less, we have to
Hmmm, do you literally mean having a "hallway track" on the schedule?
*shrug*. It happens anyway. Might as well list it for people that
like to complain.
josh
1:18 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:18:25AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
The DevConf.cz session was good. I think the situation is different
at Flock. We keep getting the same attendees, which leads to people
that mostly already know things, which leads to poor attendance and
few questions. The difference in audience tends to lend itself to a
better session when they might not be as familiar with the things
FESCo and the Council are doing.
That makes sense. I think, also, the leadership Q&A sessions at the
first two Flocks were better than at the third because at the first
one, FESCo was talking about initial Fedora.next ideas, and at the
second, we were doing controversial things (whoo!) and by the third,
I guess everyone felt like it'd mostly worked out. :)
That said, I *do* like conferences where there is a joint wrap-up
session. A panel and Q&A seems like a decent format for that, but maybe
there's something else that'd be even better.
>> If we want to change the talk days, I'd say no less than
4 tracks of
>> talks and a 5th being the hallway track. If we do less, we have to
> Hmmm, do you literally mean having a "hallway track" on the schedule?
*shrug*. It happens anyway. Might as well list it for people that
like to complain.
Interesting idea. Maybe we could make it semi-official, with a
designated space (room?) and instruct speakers to bring after-session
conversations (the people who crowd up to the podium) there, and
generally encourage people who are up for random conversation to hang
out there.
Which reminds me also of color communication badges...
https://autisticadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ColorCommunicatio...
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
1:32 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:18:25AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> The DevConf.cz session was good. I think the situation is different
> at Flock. We keep getting the same attendees, which leads to people
> that mostly already know things, which leads to poor attendance and
> few questions. The difference in audience tends to lend itself to a
> better session when they might not be as familiar with the things
> FESCo and the Council are doing.
That makes sense. I think, also, the leadership Q&A sessions at the
first two Flocks were better than at the third because at the first
one, FESCo was talking about initial Fedora.next ideas, and at the
second, we were doing controversial things (whoo!) and by the third,
I guess everyone felt like it'd mostly worked out. :)
Yes, all possible reasons.
That said, I *do* like conferences where there is a joint wrap-up
session. A panel and Q&A seems like a decent format for that, but maybe
there's something else that'd be even better.
A wrap up is a good idea. Format can be worked out.
> >> If we want to change the talk days, I'd say no less
than 4 tracks of
> >> talks and a 5th being the hallway track. If we do less, we have to
> > Hmmm, do you literally mean having a "hallway track" on the schedule?
> *shrug*. It happens anyway. Might as well list it for people that
> like to complain.
Interesting idea. Maybe we could make it semi-official, with a
designated space (room?) and instruct speakers to bring after-session
conversations (the people who crowd up to the podium) there, and
generally encourage people who are up for random conversation to hang
out there.
Maybe!
Which reminds me also of color communication badges...
https://autisticadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ColorCommunicatio...
Hm. I've seen something like this at a difference conference (though
the colors had VERY different meanings). The idea is good, but
somewhat inflexible. It requires group understanding and commitment,
doesn't elaborate what no badge means, requires explanation at
check-in to every individual, and can be difficult to deal with
breaches in protocol. Mostly because they tend to simply be
misunderstandings or someone not even seeing the badge.
If we were to do this, it might be best to simply offer all 3 colors
in one of those clear pin-on badge holder things. People can rotate
their color based on their mood (if they remember), but they'll need
to be understanding if people don't notice.
josh
10:24 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Paul W. Frields
<stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Last year, we had:
>> 67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
>> 3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
>> 34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
>> 24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
>>
>> In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
>> for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
>>
>> Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
>
> I continue to believe fewer tracks and talks, and replacing the extra
> time with workshops led to get things done, would be great for Flock.
> Too much content means speakers are talking to only a few people in
> some cases, which is hardly worth giving a talk for (not to mention
> subsidizing travel in some cases).
See my other email about attendance though. It's a balance, and we
cannot pretend that our attendees are not made up of mostly speakers.
It's indeed a balance. I don't know how *many* fewer tracks or talks
we could do without upsetting that balance. I'm not suggesting
radical change for that reason. Perhaps five or six down to four is
more reasonable, and axing all but the first keynote to allow maximum
time for other speakers.
>> Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings?
Traditionally, we've
>> focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
>> difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
>> unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
>> job in previous years.)
>
> Personally I would rather not use up valuable time on them, given my
> earlier stance. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest fewer
> tracks and talks and then further eat into talk opportunities with
> more keynotes.
>
>> Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
>
> This was not nailed down, but we suggested a 6 week period would be
> appropriate. I would suggest we use March 14 as a deadline. We could
> optionally extend to April 1 (no joke) if needed, which is
> F-minus-4months for scheduling.
>
> Whatever deadline we choose, I volunteer to put out a F-Mag
> article and internal info about the deadline.
We need to include the information about no votes. That wasn't
included in the Flock announce. That also means we need to figure out
our talk selection committee. Spot and I can probably do that.
>> Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive answers to these
>> questions.
>
> I'd like to see a weekly Flock planning meeting at this point. We
No meeting without a clear agenda. I'm not convinced we're going to
make progress on enough things to meet weekly yet. I'd suggest every
other week. Or really, I'd suggest a weekly status email from people
that own action items and only meet as a whole if there's something we
cannot work on via email. We need action, not meetings.
OK, I can concur with that. Main goal is momentum.
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10:27 a.m.
On 02/12/2016 11:01 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
I have to think about this more. The keynotes from last year were
fantastic, but we're going to be hard pressed to find people that are
relevant and willing to come to Europe and give a talk.
So, I think *no* keynotes would be bad. I would hope we can find at
least one good keynote that would help drive attendance and set tone for
the conference. Does that sound like a reasonable approach?
Best,
jzb
--
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jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
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10:28 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:08:53AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote:
> Last year, we had:
> 67 speakers (for talks and workshops).
This is about a third of the attendance, right? I guess there are two
factors in that: first, it's a contributor conference, and so we have a
high percentage of people with an interest in presenting; and second,
the funding issue (where companies, including Red Hat outside of the
Fedora community budget, are much more likely to fund travel for
speakers).
> 3 keynotes (2 + FPL)
> 34 talks across two days (five simultaneous tracks)
Wasn't it 6? I mean, not even counting the Awesome Track?
> 24 workshops across two days (four tracks)
> In 2016, we have the same amount of days (4), but I wanted to open it
> for discussion for changes to the scheduling and layout.
> Do we want less tracks? Less talks? Less workshops per day?
I still think fewer tracks is better, but I'm not sure how to get the
right balance. I'm pretty sure six is too many. I've already suggested
doing lightning talks as a plenary session (that is, in the big room
with no competing tracks), and that's in the CFP, and maybe emphasizing
that even more as we promote this could help. Slice by time rather than
by location, basically. (Maybe even doing at and leaving the number of
tracks relatively high at other times.) Then presenters could choose
between longer time with a narrower audience or shorter time with a
wider one.
Hmmm, in fact, for the narrower audience, perhaps a workshop is more
appropriate than a talk -- or a workshop linked with an opening
presentation.
Also, at DevConf.cz just now, we had a Q&A session that was basically
"AMA for anyone in attendance in Fedora leadership in some way". For
Flock, that might be a bit too open -- but maybe not.
> Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally, we've
> focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a lot of
> difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is also
> unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as it was my
> job in previous years.)
I think that's been good, and I think two is a decent number. I don't
know who has the baton for this, either.
> Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open now).
Yeah :)
Does anyone object to publicizing March 14 as a starter deadline for
CFP?
I would like to get more announcements out to internal dev groups.
A line in the sand will help, I think.
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10:33 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:01 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> I have to think about this more. The keynotes from last year were
> fantastic, but we're going to be hard pressed to find people that are
> relevant and willing to come to Europe and give a talk.
So, I think *no* keynotes would be bad. I would hope we can find at
least one good keynote that would help drive attendance and set tone for
the conference. Does that sound like a reasonable approach?
It sounds reasonable, but perhaps not feasible. Particularly finding
a keynote speaker that matches to the tone and content of the
conference.
Spot would be in the best position to describe the difficulties of
finding keynote speakers, particularly in Europe. I watched it from a
50ft view and it was not easy at all. Whoever takes on that task
needs to be aware they should start on it ASAP.
josh
10:50 a.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On 02/15/2016 11:33 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
It sounds reasonable, but perhaps not feasible. Particularly
finding
a keynote speaker that matches to the tone and content of the
conference.
Spot would be in the best position to describe the difficulties of
finding keynote speakers, particularly in Europe. I watched it from a
50ft view and it was not easy at all. Whoever takes on that task
needs to be aware they should start on it ASAP.
I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in FLOSS
space (not Fedora or Red Hat) in Europe. Could also be someone who is
doing something for FLOSS culture outside of the usual software space.
To give you an idea of what I mean, previous keynotes focused on
combating imposter syndrome in FOSS, eNable open source prosthetics,
FOSS in the EU govt, the Novena open source laptop, Open Source 3d
printing, and creating Free fonts.
A few important details:
* We will not pay for a speaker (sorry ESR).
* We may, however, cover reasonable travel costs and lodging like we
would for other speakers who require it.
* Keynote speaker needs to be fluent in English and present in that
language.
* Time slot is 45-50 minutes total.
I'm happy to assist in this effort, but I cannot lead it this year. It
would be more practical for someone on the local event team to drive this.
~tom
==
Red Hat
11:24 a.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
2016-02-15 17:50 GMT+01:00 Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com>:
I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in FLOSS
space (not Fedora or Red Hat) in Europe. Could also be someone who is
doing something for FLOSS culture outside of the usual software space.
To give you an idea of what I mean, previous keynotes focused on
combating imposter syndrome in FOSS, eNable open source prosthetics,
FOSS in the EU govt, the Novena open source laptop, Open Source 3d
printing, and creating Free fonts.
A few important details:
* We will not pay for a speaker (sorry ESR).
* We may, however, cover reasonable travel costs and lodging like we
would for other speakers who require it.
* Keynote speaker needs to be fluent in English and present in that
language.
* Time slot is 45-50 minutes total.
I'm happy to assist in this effort, but I cannot lead it this year. It
would be more practical for someone on the local event team to drive this.
~tom
If we can cover reasonable travel costs, here are few ideas:
* Harald Welte from GPL violations fame, lives in Berlin, so few hours drive
* Django Girls founders are from Poland (one of them at least,lives in UK now)
* Stephan Janssen who founded devoxxx4kids (Belgium)
Regards,
H,
11:28 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:27:02AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:01 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> I have to think about this more. The keynotes from last year were
> fantastic, but we're going to be hard pressed to find people that are
> relevant and willing to come to Europe and give a talk.
So, I think *no* keynotes would be bad. I would hope we can find at
least one good keynote that would help drive attendance and set tone for
the conference. Does that sound like a reasonable approach?
I agree, *a* keynote sounds reasonable. Frankly, I think the
community would benefit from a keynote that outlines broad, Council
level goals *and* suggested actions in Fedora to flow out of them.
Not just aspirations, but specific challenges to teams to make changes
that support those goals.
And yes, I do also wear rose-colored glasses sometimes. :-)
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12:18 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 11:33 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> It sounds reasonable, but perhaps not feasible. Particularly finding
> a keynote speaker that matches to the tone and content of the
> conference.
>
> Spot would be in the best position to describe the difficulties of
> finding keynote speakers, particularly in Europe. I watched it from a
> 50ft view and it was not easy at all. Whoever takes on that task
> needs to be aware they should start on it ASAP.
I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in FLOSS
FWIW, I was assuming the FPL talk was a given. My comments were for
keynotes outside the FPL talk.
josh
12:31 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Haïkel <hguemar(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
2016-02-15 17:50 GMT+01:00 Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com>:
>
> I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
> for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in FLOSS
> space (not Fedora or Red Hat) in Europe. Could also be someone who is
> doing something for FLOSS culture outside of the usual software space.
>
> To give you an idea of what I mean, previous keynotes focused on
> combating imposter syndrome in FOSS, eNable open source prosthetics,
> FOSS in the EU govt, the Novena open source laptop, Open Source 3d
> printing, and creating Free fonts.
>
> A few important details:
>
> * We will not pay for a speaker (sorry ESR).
> * We may, however, cover reasonable travel costs and lodging like we
> would for other speakers who require it.
> * Keynote speaker needs to be fluent in English and present in that
> language.
> * Time slot is 45-50 minutes total.
>
> I'm happy to assist in this effort, but I cannot lead it this year. It
> would be more practical for someone on the local event team to drive
this.
>
> ~tom
If we can cover reasonable travel costs, here are few ideas:
* Harald Welte from GPL violations fame, lives in Berlin, so few hours
drive
* Django Girls founders are from Poland (one of them at least,lives in UK
now)
* Stephan Janssen who founded devoxxx4kids (Belgium)
Regards,
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A couple of thoughts/suggestions:
Raspberry Pi Foundation is also in UK (but we should make sure that Fedora
is running on those if we're going to invite a keynote from them ;) )
It'd be a big pull, but someone internet-famous like Corey Doctorow would
draw lots of folks?
One of the best speakers in the Distro Devroom at FOSDEM was Brian "Red
Beard" -- CoreOS hacker, and former Red Hatter:
https://twitter.com/brianredbeard
There is an open loop between him and Rel-Eng about getting releasing
Fedora in Rocket, but I'm not sure if that will bear fruit by Flock-time?
Containers in general are a "hot topic" even though this does not fall into
the "docker docker docker" bucket.
I just watched the Mickens ketnote from Lisa, and it was pretty funny
(though a little borderline on the 'online dating' and other
semi-controversial topics.)
Someone from the Public Sector would be nice, and follow with our "doing
good" themes from Keynotes of the past. I think a very interesting Friend
of FOSS would be Chris Fabian of UNICEF.
He has been working with our partners at RIT to help spin up the LibreCorps
initiative to get students hacking on FOSS in developing nations, and is
also the co-lead on a new Open Source Venture Fund that targets Open Source
Startups around the world.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2016-02/01/unicef-innovation-fund-sta...
Me/Spot can easily open the loop with Fabian, though we'd need to do it
sooner than later, as he travels quite a bit as-is.
Hope These Help,
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12:36 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Remy DeCausemaker <decause(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Haïkel <hguemar(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> 2016-02-15 17:50 GMT+01:00 Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com>:
> >
> > I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
> > for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in FLOSS
> > space (not Fedora or Red Hat) in Europe. Could also be someone who is
> > doing something for FLOSS culture outside of the usual software space.
> >
> > To give you an idea of what I mean, previous keynotes focused on
> > combating imposter syndrome in FOSS, eNable open source prosthetics,
> > FOSS in the EU govt, the Novena open source laptop, Open Source 3d
> > printing, and creating Free fonts.
> >
> > A few important details:
> >
> > * We will not pay for a speaker (sorry ESR).
> > * We may, however, cover reasonable travel costs and lodging like we
> > would for other speakers who require it.
> > * Keynote speaker needs to be fluent in English and present in that
> > language.
> > * Time slot is 45-50 minutes total.
> >
> > I'm happy to assist in this effort, but I cannot lead it this year. It
> > would be more practical for someone on the local event team to drive
> > this.
> >
> > ~tom
>
> If we can cover reasonable travel costs, here are few ideas:
> * Harald Welte from GPL violations fame, lives in Berlin, so few hours
> drive
> * Django Girls founders are from Poland (one of them at least,lives in UK
> now)
> * Stephan Janssen who founded devoxxx4kids (Belgium)
>
> Regards,
> H,
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A couple of thoughts/suggestions:
Raspberry Pi Foundation is also in UK (but we should make sure that Fedora
is running on those if we're going to invite a keynote from them ;) )
It doesn't. Different arch not supported in Fedora. Previous efforts
around it have been abandoned or are just starting. We has no pi.
josh
12:38 p.m.
On 02/15/2016 11:28 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Does anyone object to publicizing March 14 as a starter deadline for
CFP?
"Starter deadline"?
That gives us ~1 month. I'm OK with that if we really hit the
announcements hard.
Best,
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12:40 p.m.
On 02/15/2016 11:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>>> > >> Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings? Traditionally,
we've
>>> > >> focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we had a
lot of
>>> > >> difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It is
also
>>> > >> unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year, as
it was my
>>> > >> job in previous years.)
>> > >
>> > > Personally I would rather not use up valuable time on them, given my
>> > > earlier stance. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest fewer
>> > > tracks and talks and then further eat into talk opportunities with
>> > > more keynotes.
>> > >
>>> > >> Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is open
now).
>> > >
>> > > This was not nailed down, but we suggested a 6 week period would be
>> > > appropriate. I would suggest we use March 14 as a deadline. We could
>> > > optionally extend to April 1 (no joke) if needed, which is
>> > > F-minus-4months for scheduling.
>> > >
>> > > Whatever deadline we choose, I volunteer to put out a F-Mag
>> > > article and internal info about the deadline.
> >
> > We need to include the information about no votes. That wasn't
> > included in the Flock announce. That also means we need to figure out
> > our talk selection committee. Spot and I can probably do that.
> >
>>> > >> Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive
answers to these
>>> > >> questions.
>> > >
>> > > I'd like to see a weekly Flock planning meeting at this point. We
> >
> > No meeting without a clear agenda. I'm not convinced we're going to
> > make progress on enough things to meet weekly yet. I'd suggest every
> > other week. Or really, I'd suggest a weekly status email from people
> > that own action items and only meet as a whole if there's something we
> > cannot work on via email. We need action, not meetings.
OK, I can concur with that. Main goal is momentum.
Silly Q - is there a Trac we can use for Flock?
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12:42 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 11:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
>>>> > >> Do we still want the keynotes in the mornings?
Traditionally, we've
>>>> > >> focused on bringing in external keynote speakers, but we
had a lot of
>>>> > >> difficulty doing this the last time we were in Europe. (It
is also
>>>> > >> unclear who is responsible for handling keynotes this year,
as it was my
>>>> > >> job in previous years.)
>>> > >
>>> > > Personally I would rather not use up valuable time on them, given
my
>>> > > earlier stance. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest fewer
>>> > > tracks and talks and then further eat into talk opportunities with
>>> > > more keynotes.
>>> > >
>>>> > >> Also, it seems unclear to me when the CFP closes (it is
open now).
>>> > >
>>> > > This was not nailed down, but we suggested a 6 week period would
be
>>> > > appropriate. I would suggest we use March 14 as a deadline. We
could
>>> > > optionally extend to April 1 (no joke) if needed, which is
>>> > > F-minus-4months for scheduling.
>>> > >
>>> > > Whatever deadline we choose, I volunteer to put out a F-Mag
>>> > > article and internal info about the deadline.
>> >
>> > We need to include the information about no votes. That wasn't
>> > included in the Flock announce. That also means we need to figure out
>> > our talk selection committee. Spot and I can probably do that.
>> >
>>>> > >> Paul, Matt, Remy, Jen, Joe, I'm looking at you to drive
answers to these
>>>> > >> questions.
>>> > >
>>> > > I'd like to see a weekly Flock planning meeting at this point.
We
>> >
>> > No meeting without a clear agenda. I'm not convinced we're going
to
>> > make progress on enough things to meet weekly yet. I'd suggest every
>> > other week. Or really, I'd suggest a weekly status email from people
>> > that own action items and only meet as a whole if there's something we
>> > cannot work on via email. We need action, not meetings.
> OK, I can concur with that. Main goal is momentum.
Silly Q - is there a Trac we can use for Flock?
Please do not make me use Trac. I will happily setup a Pagure project
with whatever you want in it and we can use issues there. Or I'll
stand up a bugzilla instance. Or a cantas or trello board. Or
literally anything other than trac.
josh
12:43 p.m.
On 02/15/2016 01:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
Please do not make me use Trac. I will happily setup a Pagure
project
with whatever you want in it and we can use issues there. Or I'll
stand up a bugzilla instance. Or a cantas or trello board. Or
literally anything other than trac.
OK, any of those things would be fine - just saying "can we have
*something* to track things in other than email. :-) Not in any way
wedded to it actually being Trac.
Best,
jzb
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12:44 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 01:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Please do not make me use Trac. I will happily setup a Pagure project
> with whatever you want in it and we can use issues there. Or I'll
> stand up a bugzilla instance. Or a cantas or trello board. Or
> literally anything other than trac.
OK, any of those things would be fine - just saying "can we have
*something* to track things in other than email. :-) Not in any way
wedded to it actually being Trac.
Best,
jzb
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+1 to pagure.io :)
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12:45 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 11:28 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Does anyone object to publicizing March 14 as a starter deadline for
> CFP?
"Starter deadline"?
That gives us ~1 month. I'm OK with that if we really hit the
announcements hard.
For an event that happens in August, I don't see why we'd close CFP
that early. It doesn't take 4 months to bring together a schedule
from submitted talks.
Even if we're optimizing for marketing lead time (e.g. "Look at the
awesome schedule!") to bring in other people, we'd really only need it
set about 2 months before the event. That puts my back of the napkin
deadline at the end of May.
josh
12:52 p.m.
On 02/15/2016 01:45 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
Even if we're optimizing for marketing lead time (e.g. "Look
at the
awesome schedule!") to bring in other people, we'd really only need it
set about 2 months before the event. That puts my back of the napkin
deadline at the end of May.
Marketing lead time is good, but travel lead time is king. A lot of
folks squawk if they don't know their travel schedule earlier.
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12:53 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 01:45 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Even if we're optimizing for marketing lead time (e.g. "Look at the
> awesome schedule!") to bring in other people, we'd really only need it
> set about 2 months before the event. That puts my back of the napkin
> deadline at the end of May.
Marketing lead time is good, but travel lead time is king. A lot of
folks squawk if they don't know their travel schedule earlier.
Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
end of April and it's still 3 months out.
josh
12:53 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Joe Brockmeier
<jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 02/15/2016 11:28 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> Does anyone object to publicizing March 14 as a starter deadline for
>> CFP?
>
> "Starter deadline"?
>
> That gives us ~1 month. I'm OK with that if we really hit the
> announcements hard.
For an event that happens in August, I don't see why we'd close CFP
that early. It doesn't take 4 months to bring together a schedule
from submitted talks.
Even if we're optimizing for marketing lead time (e.g. "Look at the
awesome schedule!") to bring in other people, we'd really only need it
set about 2 months before the event. That puts my back of the napkin
deadline at the end of May.
I'm +1 with jwb here.
I think closing the CFP early leads to 'stale' titles. Last year I could
tell that some of the titles for Flock talks were dated, and didn't reflect
the content that was actually being presented. Presenters are usually good
about updating the content, even if the title is not reflecting the latest
state of the topic.
I'm still ok with closing the CFP early if we need to, or if organizers
think it makes sense. If we are just using the early deadline as a way to
get more people to submit earlier, then I suggest that we suggest that
earlier submissions get 'extra credit/deference' of some kind?
Hope This Helps,
--RemyD.
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1:03 p.m.
On 02/15/2016 01:53 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
end of April and it's still 3 months out.
There's time off considerations, budgeting, visas... I'm not sure how
much lead time we've had in the past, I just know this is a constant
refrain I hear when talking to people about events. "Oh, I wish I'd
known sooner..."
I talked to Diane Mueller about Flock a bit ago and she was assuming
we'd already done the CFP and had everything locked.
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1:45 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/15/2016 01:53 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
> that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
> end of April and it's still 3 months out.
There's time off considerations, budgeting, visas... I'm not sure how
much lead time we've had in the past, I just know this is a constant
refrain I hear when talking to people about events. "Oh, I wish I'd
known sooner..."
Known sooner about the event? That's fine. They can know all they
want. It's a matter of spreading the word as far as possible. That
doesn't mean we need to close talk submission.
As for budget, we normally operate on a quarterly basis. Most
departments are going to chalk Flock up as a Q2 expense, not a Q1
expense. Booking travel for speakers isn't going to begin until Q2
most likely either. Which means we'd have closed CFP early for no
benefit. If we close it at the end of April, we can get the schedule
set before Q1 wraps up easily. That's another 6 weeks of letting
people plan and figure out what they want to talk about. Hopefully it
cuts down on the staleness factor Remy mentioned as well.
We only have 30 talks submitted thus far. I'm not at all convinced
we're going to get sufficient number of talks submitted in a month to
actually have a conference. Even if we go with the "last minute
submission" principle, I really think we'd wind up short.
I talked to Diane Mueller about Flock a bit ago and she was assuming
we'd already done the CFP and had everything locked.
That sounds like something that needs to be corrected ASAP. Perhaps
you or Matt could send something internally.
josh
12:20 a.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
Is this the best way to share suggestions, on this thread, because I have someone in mind?
:-)
~m
On February 15, 2016 12:24:06 PM EST, "Haïkel" <hguemar(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
2016-02-15 17:50 GMT+01:00 Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com>:
>
> I think we should at least make the attempt to have two keynotes, one
> for the FPL and one for someone who is doing interesting work in
FLOSS
> space (not Fedora or Red Hat) in Europe. Could also be someone who is
> doing something for FLOSS culture outside of the usual software
space.
>
> To give you an idea of what I mean, previous keynotes focused on
> combating imposter syndrome in FOSS, eNable open source prosthetics,
> FOSS in the EU govt, the Novena open source laptop, Open Source 3d
> printing, and creating Free fonts.
>
> A few important details:
>
> * We will not pay for a speaker (sorry ESR).
> * We may, however, cover reasonable travel costs and lodging like we
> would for other speakers who require it.
> * Keynote speaker needs to be fluent in English and present in that
> language.
> * Time slot is 45-50 minutes total.
>
> I'm happy to assist in this effort, but I cannot lead it this year.
It
> would be more practical for someone on the local event team to drive
this.
>
> ~tom
If we can cover reasonable travel costs, here are few ideas:
* Harald Welte from GPL violations fame, lives in Berlin, so few hours
drive
* Django Girls founders are from Poland (one of them at least,lives in
UK now)
* Stephan Janssen who founded devoxxx4kids (Belgium)
Regards,
H,
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10:47 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 02:45:05PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Joe Brockmeier
<jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 02/15/2016 01:53 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
>> that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
>> end of April and it's still 3 months out.
>
> There's time off considerations, budgeting, visas... I'm not sure how
> much lead time we've had in the past, I just know this is a constant
> refrain I hear when talking to people about events. "Oh, I wish I'd
> known sooner..."
Known sooner about the event? That's fine. They can know all they
want. It's a matter of spreading the word as far as possible. That
doesn't mean we need to close talk submission.
As for budget, we normally operate on a quarterly basis. Most
departments are going to chalk Flock up as a Q2 expense, not a Q1
expense. Booking travel for speakers isn't going to begin until Q2
most likely either. Which means we'd have closed CFP early for no
benefit. If we close it at the end of April, we can get the schedule
set before Q1 wraps up easily. That's another 6 weeks of letting
people plan and figure out what they want to talk about. Hopefully it
cuts down on the staleness factor Remy mentioned as well.
We only have 30 talks submitted thus far. I'm not at all convinced
we're going to get sufficient number of talks submitted in a month to
actually have a conference. Even if we go with the "last minute
submission" principle, I really think we'd wind up short.
How about we go with April 8th for now. Again, nothing stops us from
extending the deadline. It's good to not have it so far in the future
that (1) we can't identify trends in talk topics; and (2) it affects
travel and subsidy decision making. Does that sound reasonable?
> I talked to Diane Mueller about Flock a bit ago and she was
assuming
> we'd already done the CFP and had everything locked.
That sounds like something that needs to be corrected ASAP. Perhaps
you or Matt could send something internally.
I had planned to send a list of info highlights to Red Hat's
engineering teams to make sure they were aware. I was hoping to set
this deadline in order to do that. ;-)
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 02:45:05PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > On 02/15/2016 01:53 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> >> Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
> >> that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
> >> end of April and it's still 3 months out.
> >
> > There's time off considerations, budgeting, visas... I'm not sure how
> > much lead time we've had in the past, I just know this is a constant
> > refrain I hear when talking to people about events. "Oh, I wish I'd
> > known sooner..."
>
> Known sooner about the event? That's fine. They can know all they
> want. It's a matter of spreading the word as far as possible. That
> doesn't mean we need to close talk submission.
>
> As for budget, we normally operate on a quarterly basis. Most
> departments are going to chalk Flock up as a Q2 expense, not a Q1
> expense. Booking travel for speakers isn't going to begin until Q2
> most likely either. Which means we'd have closed CFP early for no
> benefit. If we close it at the end of April, we can get the schedule
> set before Q1 wraps up easily. That's another 6 weeks of letting
> people plan and figure out what they want to talk about. Hopefully it
> cuts down on the staleness factor Remy mentioned as well.
>
> We only have 30 talks submitted thus far. I'm not at all convinced
> we're going to get sufficient number of talks submitted in a month to
> actually have a conference. Even if we go with the "last minute
> submission" principle, I really think we'd wind up short.
How about we go with April 8th for now. Again, nothing stops us from
extending the deadline. It's good to not have it so far in the future
that (1) we can't identify trends in talk topics; and (2) it affects
travel and subsidy decision making. Does that sound reasonable?
It sounds like a compromise between my dates and the original
suggestion. I'm all about compromise, so let's go with that. When we
announce it, we need to include the other note we discussed.
> > I talked to Diane Mueller about Flock a bit ago and she was
assuming
> > we'd already done the CFP and had everything locked.
>
> That sounds like something that needs to be corrected ASAP. Perhaps
> you or Matt could send something internally.
I had planned to send a list of info highlights to Red Hat's
engineering teams to make sure they were aware. I was hoping to set
this deadline in order to do that. ;-)
Fantastic.
josh
11 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 02:45:05PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> > On 02/15/2016 01:53 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >> Earlier than 2 months out? I thought ticket prices were optimal in
>> >> that range. Either way, Mar 14 seems way too soon for me. We can go
>> >> end of April and it's still 3 months out.
>> >
>> > There's time off considerations, budgeting, visas... I'm not sure
how
>> > much lead time we've had in the past, I just know this is a constant
>> > refrain I hear when talking to people about events. "Oh, I wish
I'd
>> > known sooner..."
>>
>> Known sooner about the event? That's fine. They can know all they
>> want. It's a matter of spreading the word as far as possible. That
>> doesn't mean we need to close talk submission.
>>
>> As for budget, we normally operate on a quarterly basis. Most
>> departments are going to chalk Flock up as a Q2 expense, not a Q1
>> expense. Booking travel for speakers isn't going to begin until Q2
>> most likely either. Which means we'd have closed CFP early for no
>> benefit. If we close it at the end of April, we can get the schedule
>> set before Q1 wraps up easily. That's another 6 weeks of letting
>> people plan and figure out what they want to talk about. Hopefully it
>> cuts down on the staleness factor Remy mentioned as well.
>>
>> We only have 30 talks submitted thus far. I'm not at all convinced
>> we're going to get sufficient number of talks submitted in a month to
>> actually have a conference. Even if we go with the "last minute
>> submission" principle, I really think we'd wind up short.
>
> How about we go with April 8th for now. Again, nothing stops us from
> extending the deadline. It's good to not have it so far in the future
> that (1) we can't identify trends in talk topics; and (2) it affects
> travel and subsidy decision making. Does that sound reasonable?
It sounds like a compromise between my dates and the original
suggestion. I'm all about compromise, so let's go with that. When we
announce it, we need to include the other note we discussed.
+1 on April 8th deadline.
--RemyD.
>> > I talked to Diane Mueller about Flock a bit ago and she was assuming
>> > we'd already done the CFP and had everything locked.
>>
>> That sounds like something that needs to be corrected ASAP. Perhaps
>> you or Matt could send something internally.
>
> I had planned to send a list of info highlights to Red Hat's
> engineering teams to make sure they were aware. I was hoping to set
> this deadline in order to do that. ;-)
Fantastic.
josh
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11:22 a.m.
On 02/16/2016 11:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
How about we go with April 8th for now. Again, nothing stops us
from
extending the deadline. It's good to not have it so far in the future
that (1) we can't identify trends in talk topics; and (2) it affects
travel and subsidy decision making. Does that sound reasonable?
+1 works for me.
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1:39 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
Okay, some ideas for keynoters:
Femke Snelting - from the Libre Graphics community. She could talk about her work with the
Libre Graphics Research Unit or a number of other projects she's been involved with at
the intersection of design and floss. I think she is based in Belgium. I think she would
have a very fresh perspective to give to Fedora on FLOSS.
Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora. He runs workshops
worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts using FLOSS (crafting type - i took
it and it was amazing) and he is also a strong advocate for open font licensing and is in
charge of Googles web fonts project - he is based in the UK.
Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente - founders of Manufactura Independente, a design
studio / consultancy that uses open source tools and principles to create and advocate
design. Among other projects they are involved in the publication of Libre Graphics
Magazine. They are based in Portugal.
Carrie Anne Philbin - women in open source award finalist, PSF board member and leads
education initiatives for the Raspberry Pi Foundation, runs STEM outreach classes for
women and minorities in the UK. UK based.
Hope these help,
~m
On February 16, 2016 7:28:19 AM EST, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Máirín Duffy
<duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
> Is this the best way to share suggestions, on this thread, because I
have
> someone in mind? :-)
Yes.
josh
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New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016
On 02/17/2016 02:39 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora.
He
runs workshops worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts
using FLOSS (crafting type - i took it and it was amazing) and he is
also a strong advocate for open font licensing and is in charge of
Googles web fonts project - he is based in the UK.
Dave was a keynote speaker at Flock 1. As awesome as he was, I would
rather not repeat.
~tom
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3:28 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016
Ah right, I didn't remember whether it was Flock or FUDcon.
~m
On February 17, 2016 2:59:55 PM EST, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/17/2016 02:39 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora.
He
> runs workshops worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts
> using FLOSS (crafting type - i took it and it was amazing) and he is
> also a strong advocate for open font licensing and is in charge of
> Googles web fonts project - he is based in the UK.
Dave was a keynote speaker at Flock 1. As awesome as he was, I would
rather not repeat.
~tom
==
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New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
Okay, some ideas for keynoters:
Femke Snelting - from the Libre Graphics community. She could talk about
her work with the Libre Graphics Research Unit or a number of other
projects she's been involved with at the intersection of design and floss.
I think she is based in Belgium. I think she would have a very fresh
perspective to give to Fedora on FLOSS.
Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora. He
runs workshops worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts using
FLOSS (crafting type - i took it and it was amazing) and he is also a
strong advocate for open font licensing and is in charge of Googles web
fonts project - he is based in the UK.
Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente - founders of Manufactura
Independente, a design studio / consultancy that uses open source tools and
principles to create and advocate design. Among other projects they are
involved in the publication of Libre Graphics Magazine. They are based in
Portugal.
Carrie Anne Philbin - women in open source award finalist, PSF board
member and leads education initiatives for the Raspberry Pi Foundation,
runs STEM outreach classes for women and minorities in the UK. UK based.
We /may/ have an opportunity to get a high-profile promotional piece
published soon (early next week) and we think calling for keynotes may help
with getting that article published. If we already have asked any keynotes
or confirmed any keynotes, who are they?
The one above, Carrie Anne Philbin, seems like *rillly* good option.
Thoughts?
--RemyD.
Hope these help,
~m
On February 16, 2016 7:28:19 AM EST, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> Is this the best way to share suggestions, on this thread, because I have
>> someone in mind? :-)
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> josh
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5:38 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Remy DeCausemaker <decause(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>
> Okay, some ideas for keynoters:
>
> Femke Snelting - from the Libre Graphics community. She could talk about
> her work with the Libre Graphics Research Unit or a number of other projects
> she's been involved with at the intersection of design and floss. I think
> she is based in Belgium. I think she would have a very fresh perspective to
> give to Fedora on FLOSS.
>
> Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora. He
> runs workshops worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts using
> FLOSS (crafting type - i took it and it was amazing) and he is also a strong
> advocate for open font licensing and is in charge of Googles web fonts
> project - he is based in the UK.
>
> Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente - founders of Manufactura
> Independente, a design studio / consultancy that uses open source tools and
> principles to create and advocate design. Among other projects they are
> involved in the publication of Libre Graphics Magazine. They are based in
> Portugal.
>
> Carrie Anne Philbin - women in open source award finalist, PSF board
> member and leads education initiatives for the Raspberry Pi Foundation, runs
> STEM outreach classes for women and minorities in the UK. UK based.
We /may/ have an opportunity to get a high-profile promotional piece
published soon (early next week) and we think calling for keynotes may help
with getting that article published. If we already have asked any keynotes
or confirmed any keynotes, who are they?
I'm not aware of any being asked, and we certainly do not have any confirmed.
josh
7:26 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Feb 17, 2016 2:39 PM, "Máirín Duffy" <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
This one's such a good idea, we had him keynote the first Flock. :-)
Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in Fedora. He
runs
workshops worldwide to enable people to design their own fonts using
FLOSS (crafting type - i took it and it was amazing) and he is also a
strong advocate for open font licensing and is in charge of Googles web
fonts project - he is based in the UK.
7:29 p.m.
New subject: Keynotes for Flock 2016 (was: Re: Flock Scheduling questions)
On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:26:04 PM EDT, Ruth Suehle wrote:
On Feb 17, 2016 2:39 PM, "Máirín Duffy" <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Dave Crossland - he designed Cantarell, the default font in
This one's such a good idea, we had him keynote the first Flock. :-)
My first maternity leave, IIRC! Ooops!
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