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Will FC6/FE6 merge / move to Koji?
by Kevin Kofler 20 Aug '07

20 Aug '07

Will FC6/FE6 merge and move to Koji at some point? (I believe that was part of the original merge plan, I might be mistaken though. In any case, no date has been determined that I know of.) Or will the old build systems just stay up until Fedora 6 EOL? If a merge is planned, is there any timeframe for it yet? Kevin Kofler

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Package Management Blows Goats (use cases)
by Richard Hughes 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

(from my blog, apologies to anyone that's read this once already) Before ideal system requirements we should talk about use cases and system interactions. I think this is where update systems have gone wrong in the past, closely integrating with the existing package system rather than studying the complete ideal user interactions. Feel free to disagree and correct the interactions. Boot Time Security Update Toby logs into his desktop. A notification area icon with a critical icon appears in the top right and a libnotify popup tells him there are 3 three critical security updates. The libnotify popup has three buttons: • Update now in the background • Always do updates automatically • Ignore for now Toby clicks the first button and the update completes in the background. When completed, after a few minutes, another libnotify popup appears telling Toby that the update was completed and after a few seconds the status icon disappears. Downloading an Unknown Application Suzanne wants to open a word file. She opens the software finder tool and types "office file" into the search box. A list of software appears, with OpenOffice being the top entry. She clicks the OpenOffice entry to highlight it, and clicks "Install now". Suzanne is not an administrator, but because she is locally logged in and the package is from the "fedora GPG signed repository" the root password is not required. A notification area icon appears with a downloading icon and the package manager is closed. When OpenOffice is installed, a libnotify popup tells Suzanne that the software has been downloaded and is now ready to use. Installing files automatically Simon wants to borrow the computer while Suzanne waits for OpenOffice to download. He uses fast-user switching to switch to a new login. He notices the same downloading icon in his session which indicates Suzannes' download is still in progress. He starts Pidgin which then crashes. The bug-buddy window appears which prompts him to install the debuginfo so a valid backtrace can be detected. He clicks yes, and a libnotify windows appears telling Simon that the request has been queued and that he will be notified when the debuginfo has been installed. When installed, the bug-buddy helper continues and submits a valid bug. Installing new features Suzanne switches back to her session and wants to add some clipart to the word file she has just opened. She clicks "Insert" and then "Clipart" and then a windows pops up telling her that clipart is not installed. She clicks "Install" and a progress bar appears and moves across as the clipart is downloaded and then installs. When finished, the dialog disappears and she chooses a picture of a cat. Comments? Richard.

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Blog post about package management (aimed at fedora)
by Richard Hughes 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

I've blogged about package management in Fedora (and how it sucks in other distros too) and also discussed abstract per-system package management over DBUS interfaces. I would appreciate feedback on http://hughsient.livejournal.com/31429.html either on the blog as comments, personal email, or just cc'd to the list. This is obviously not a F8 target, more an idea I discussed with some other desktop hackers at GUADEC and FOSDEM earlier this year. "Crack" would be a valid comment but obviously, I would prefer more in depth and reasoned criticism :-) Many thanks, Richard Hughes

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RPM roadmapping
by Panu Matilainen 12 Aug '07

12 Aug '07

Hey all, I know I'm opening up Pandoras box here but what the heck, it's Friday and I'm feeling slightly bored... With RPM 4.4.2.1 fresh out and 4.4.x branched off to maintenance mode, time to start looking forward to next major release. While the focus will be largely in cleaning up and streamlining the codebase, it can't realistically be all about just that. Not everybody is on rpm-maint list and we'd like to hear the wishes of (Fedora) developers/packagers too. So: what have you always wanted to do with rpm, but wasn't able to? Or the other way around: what you always wished rpm would do for you? What always annoyed you out of your mind? Just to kick off the discussion (like it was necessary, this is rpm afterall...), here are a few things that have been brought up in various forums and private discussions, but don't feel constrained by these items, they're just some examples of what's being considered: * Improving automatic dependency extraction - Plugin architecture for internal dependency extractor to avoid having to patch rpm itself for each new language - libtool, pkgconfig requires + provides (easily ported from rpm5.org) - <your favorite language> (python for me) library requires + provides discovery - Buildrequires match cross-arch on multilib, not good - -devel package dependencies match cross-arch on multilib, not good * Python bindings - Ever wanted to fully drive a package build from python, without having to resort to screenscraping rpmbuild output etc? I know I have... * Unix philosophy - do just one thing and do it well: - RPM is not a GPG key manager but a package manager. - RPM is not an ftp/http client, it's a package manager. The more specific you can be, the better - "make it not suck" isn't productive. Of course there's no way everything can be done, we want the next major release out before end of the decade... Also this is not a voting where most votes guarantee implementation, but consider it your chance to be heard. I'm listening... :) - Panu -

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Fedora Package Status of Jul 26, 2007
by Christian Iseli 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

Hi folks, Open bugs slightly down, but number of new review tickets climbed a bit again... Cheers, Christian ---- Fedora Package Status of Jul 26, 2007 The full report can be found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/PackageStatus Owners file stats: - 4783 packages - 7895 binary rpms in devel - 109 orphans - 58 packages not available in devel or release Axel dot Thimm at ATrpms dot net vtkdata andreas dot bierfert at lowlatency dot de libopensync-plugin-synce andreas at bawue dot net perl-HTML-CalendarMonthSimple andreas at bawue dot net ddrescue bdpepple at ameritech dot net galago-filesystem bdpepple at ameritech dot net gaim-galago cgoorah at yahoo dot com dot au netgen cweyl at alumni dot drew dot edu perl-Text-RecordParser cweyl at alumni dot drew dot edu gaim-gaym dbhole at redhat dot com dom2-core-tests dbhole at redhat dot com objectweb-anttask devrim at commandprompt dot com postgresql-pgpool-ha foolish at guezz dot net perl-SQLite-Simple gauret at free dot fr pdftohtml gilboad at gmail dot com kdebluetooth green at redhat dot com ws-common-utils j dot w dot r dot degoede at hhs dot nl cdogs-data j dot w dot r dot degoede at hhs dot nl cdogs-sdl jafo at tummy dot com python-mechanoid jafo at tummy dot com python-memcached jmp at safe dot ca clement johnp at redhat dot com GConf2-dbus jorton at redhat dot com libc-client mastahnke at gmail dot com epel-release mchristi at redhat dot com scsi-target-utils mike at flyn dot org linkchecker mpg at redhat dot com olpc-hardware-manager mpg at redhat dot com sugar mpg at redhat dot com sugar-presence-service mpg at redhat dot com xulrunner mpg at redhat dot com sugar-artwork mpg at redhat dot com sugar-datastore mpg at redhat dot com hulahop mpg at redhat dot com xapian-core mpg at redhat dot com pyxapian mpg at redhat dot com xapian-bindings orion at cora dot nwra dot com R-multcomp orion at cora dot nwra dot com R-systemfit paul at all-the-johnsons dot co dot uk XaraLX paul at all-the-johnsons dot co dot uk mysql-connector-net pcheung at redhat dot com asm2 pertusus at free dot fr ivman qspencer at ieee dot org suitesparse rdieter at math dot unl dot edu pykdeextensions richard at hughsie dot com ohm rjones at redhat dot com ocaml-ssl rjones at redhat dot com ocaml-ulex rvokal at redhat dot com gaim-guifications splinux at fedoraproject dot org drapes steve at silug dot org perl-Params-CallbackRequest steve at silug dot org perl-Term-ReadPassword sundaram at redhat dot com olpc-utils than at redhat dot com kdepimlibs than at redhat dot com kdelibs3 vivekl at redhat dot com saxon8 vivekl at redhat dot com classpathx-jaxp xgl-maint at redhat dot com xorg-x11-drv-vermilion yufanyufan at gmail dot com audacious-plugins-docklet - 5 packages not available in devel but present in release andreas dot bierfert at lowlatency dot de syncekonnector caolanm at redhat dot com hunspell-he jorton at redhat dot com newt-perl twaugh at redhat dot com desktop-printing wolfy at nobugconsulting dot ro qfaxreader - 7 packages which have not yet been FE-ACCEPT'd... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_id=222191,231861,240616 eclipse bkonrath at redhat.com cyrus-imapd tjanouse at redhat.com pixman ajackson at redhat.com https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_id=221717,224458,24564… agg caolanm at redhat.com libsilc wtogami at redhat.com gnome-password-generator debarshi.ray at gmail.com linkchecker mike at flyn.org - 5 packages present in the development repo which have no owners entry audacious-docklet s390utils stardict-dic ufsparse ws-commons-util - 21 orphaned packages, yet available in devel docbook-dtds docbook-simple docbook-slides docbook-style-dsssl docbook-style-xsl docbook-utils driftnet empathy gnome-bluetooth gob2 libbtctl libedit linuxdoc-tools luks-tools ndesk-dbus openjade opensp pam_usb udftools xmltex xmlto FE-ACCEPT packages stats: - 2913 accepted, closed package reviews - 44 accepted, closed package reviews not in repo - 7 accepted, closed package reviews not in owners - 102 accepted, open package reviews older than 4 weeks; - 97 accepted, open package reviews with a package already in the repo FE-REVIEW packages stats: - 219 open tickets - 79 tickets with no activity in eight weeks - 53 tickets with no activity in four weeks - 14 closed tickets FE-NEW packages stats: - 919 open tickets - 710 tickets with no activity in eight weeks - 57 tickets with no activity in four weeks FE-NEEDSPONSOR packages stats: - 36 open tickets - 2 tickets with no activity in eight weeks - 6 tickets with no activity in four weeks FE-LEGAL packages stats: - 2 open tickets - 1 tickets with no activity in eight weeks - 1 tickets with no activity in four weeks OPEN-BUGS packages stats: - 8517 open tickets - 5323 tickets with no activity in eight weeks - 1268 tickets with no activity in four weeks CVS stats: - 4779 packages with a devel directory - 1 packages with no owners entry tdma - 208 packages were dropped from Fedora Maintainers stats: - 406 maintainers - 2 inactive maintainers with open bugs - 3 inactive maintainers Dropped Fedora packages: - 13 packages were dropped since Fedora 7 Comps.xml files stats: - 2412 packages in comps-f8 file - 1054 packages missing from comps-f8 file - 25 packages in comps-f8 but not in repo - 2389 packages in comps-f7 file - 1028 packages missing from comps-f7 file - 33 packages in comps-f7 but not in repo

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High frequency noise in Fedora 7
by Debarshi Ray 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

I am on a Fedora 7 system, running the latest kernel-2.6.22.1-27.fc7 from updates, with a small mix of Rawhide packages thrown in. Whenever I play a song or a movie I get a constant high frequency monotonous note alongwith the expected soundtrack. [root@ginger ~]# lspci ... ... 04:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller ... [root@ginger ~]# lsmod Module Size Used by dm_mirror 25153 0 dm_multipath 21961 0 dm_mod 56961 2 dm_mirror,dm_multipath video 21065 0 sbs 22729 0 button 12113 0 dock 13921 0 ac 9285 0 lp 16105 0 snd_hda_intel 243416 2 snd_seq_dummy 7877 0 snd_seq_oss 33473 0 snd_seq_midi_event 11073 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 50609 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 11981 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq snd_pcm_oss 43457 0 snd_mixer_oss 19521 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 74949 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 24901 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm firewire_ohci 20673 0 snd 53317 10 snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer firewire_core 43137 1 firewire_ohci soundcore 11681 2 snd snd_page_alloc 13769 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm crc_itu_t 6337 1 firewire_core parport_pc 30821 1 rtc_cmos 12001 0 parport 38281 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc usblp 17473 0 k8temp 9537 0 hwmon 7365 1 k8temp via_rhine 28361 0 i2c_viapro 12373 0 serio_raw 10821 0 mii 9409 1 via_rhine i2c_core 27841 1 i2c_viapro sr_mod 20837 0 sg 37469 0 ahci 25541 0 pata_via 15813 7 sd_mod 31297 11 scsi_mod 140621 5 usb_storage,sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod jbd 59881 1 ext3 mbcache 12485 1 ext3 ... ... [root@ginger ~]# Worth filing a bug, or am I making a mistake? Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu

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KDE 4 Beta 1
by jos poortvliet 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Dear people, The KDE project is about to release it's first beta for KDE 4. The package tarballs are available, to allow distributions to package it. We would like to know if your distribution will have packages available at or soon after the official release date, so we can mention it in the announcement. If so, please provide us with a link or location where to find those packages. If you won't have packages right away, you can tell us when they will be available, so we can mention that. Thank you for your coöperation, The KDE promo team kde-promo(a)kde.org -- Jos Poortvliet KDE-nl http://www.kde.nl http://www.kde.org Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation Q: Why is top-posting bad?

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Anaconda crash for Turkish installation
by Baris Cicek 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi all; I'm not quite sure if this bug mentioned before in the list, but since I could not find bug filed about it in anaconda bugs, I wanted to increase awareness. Turkish installation (probably some other languages also affected) has a problem with Fedora 7. Anaconda crashes with some unicode problem. Since I'm python ignorant I did not dare to dig into problem, but I'm affraid this important problem is due to minor translation issue. It's not possible to install fedora 7 unless you choose other language, and if you prefer to use Turkish, change the language post-install. That's not acceptable for regular user. I'm affraid most Turkish users think that Fedora has a problem and they choose other distributions. That problem existed in Fedora Core 6 as well. I should have tested the images for Fedora 7 but I thought that was fixed already. I hope there's a chance to fix this bug, and roll new ISOs as Fedora 7 is eary in its release time. Here's the bug report about the problem, anaconda traceback is also included. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244016 Regards, Baris.

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NOTE: Please publicize any license changes to your packages
by Bill Nottingham 06 Aug '07

06 Aug '07

The Fedora Engineering Steering Committee would like to remind maintainers that a license change in a package is a very serious event - it has as many, if not more, implications for related packages as ABI changes do. Therefore, if your package changes license, even if it just changes the license version, it is required that you announce it, whether on this list or fedora-devel-list. Note that any license change to a more restrictive license or license version may affect the legality of portions of Fedora as a whole; ergo, FESCo reserves the right to block upgrades of packages to versions with new licenses to ensure the legal distribution of Fedora. Please contact FESCo if you have any questions. Bill _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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Future of Yum
by Florian Festi 06 Aug '07

06 Aug '07

Hi! The next generation of yum can be found at http://www.yum4.org And for those who want the future right now: http://www.yum5.org. If you think the content is too boring try using whois. Florian

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