From: "Dan Mashal" <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com>
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:13:34 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
On Monday, January 28, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote:
----- Original Message -----
> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new
> Fedora
> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the
> Gnome
> Shell if
> they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a
> traditional
> desktop.
>
> The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being
> based
> on the
> latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better
> candidate
> for a
> default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components.
Some facts:
- Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a
full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and
bug-fixes are not going either way...
- GNOME 3.8 will replace the dismal fallback mode with a new
'classic' mode that is actually based on the latest GNOME
components, and will be a more 'traditional desktop', whatever that
means.
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Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you
just merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all
work together.
There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are
both biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT
employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit
excuses on why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to
orange comparisons from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll where
no Red Hat employees can vote.
Since when my work(hence vote) in Fedora is unwanted because I'm Red Hat employee?
I don't give a sh*t about what the default is but one should tell you - SHUT UP!!! And
yes this is exactly what you were trying to tell me.
So please send your next message once you learned to deal with technical questions in a
technical way or if you can't never would be better!!!
Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team
Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and
the board itself can make a final decision after considering what
FESCO has to say about it. Face it. Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major
uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use than Anaconda 18. Almost
3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should probably add a real
"fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people writing code
are not the community. Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than Gnome
2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for
systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with.
Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else
besides Gnome 3 and KDE?
Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to
help, Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL.
This is a community based distribution not Red Hats playground.
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or
isn't.
This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003.
Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like
it. Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are
less people using Fedora.
And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press coverage
in Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last 30
days. It hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda 18.
You are on serious drugs if you believe that.
Dan
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