On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Al Dunsmuir <al.dunsmuir(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com>:
>>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger(a)gmail.com>:
>>> >> As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers
and as
>>> >> users) grows, this interdependence will grow.
>>> >
>>> > Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora "backports" repo
for these that
>>> > wants new and shiny Firefox 4, PostgreSQL 9 or whatever with big
>>> > number.
>>>
>>>
>>> What exactly is the fear here with these updates? Are there many
>>> desktop users who do NOT want the latest released Firefox? Are there
>>> many people using Fedora as their OS for their database server?
>>
>> Maybe we should turn this around and ask why more people don't
>> use Rawhide.
> Well "use rawhide" for anything else than testing and/or developing
> the new release just do not fly.
> Some of the reasons I can think of:
> 1) To high rate of changes / breakage
These are two separate issues.
Change:
Without change in Fedora, we might as well turn off the lights.
You missed the point.
> 3) Slower kernel
On purpose - first you get things right, then you get them fast. Those
additional checks are important so that any issues are identified as
soon as possible.
You missed the point.
You want to benchmark something? Build a no-debug kernel.
You missed the point.
> 4) To much of "manual fixing" required
Maybe reduced with a bit of focus, but likely also part of the nature
of the beast.
You missed the point.
> 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and
security fixes
This one autoqa should be able to solve. Reduces breakage in general,
and helps ensure that breakage in branched releases is identified
sooner.
> 6) Some others that I can't think of right now might be a consequence
> of the above or something else
Stuff happens, but Rawhide is the place for it to happen.
You missed the point.
But not
gratuitously - that's not being nice to your fellow Fedora team
members.
Again, you missed the point.
I did not say "rawhide SUCKS!!!!!1111!!!"" I said that rawhide's
purpose is for development and testing but NOT for general use.