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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-03-18)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:03)
* Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM
schemes that cannot be disabled (nirik, 17:03:53)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 (nirik, 17:03:53)
* sgallagh will close the ticket and ask firefox maintainer to pull in
patch for system dir extensions for now. (nirik, 17:07:50)
* Review of delayed Changes for F24 (nirik, 17:07:55)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 (nirik, 17:07:55)
* modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora
Objectives (nirik, 17:11:30)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 (nirik, 17:11:31)
* AGREED: add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb
suggested to wiki. (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:19:01)
* nirik to update wiki (nirik, 17:19:10)
* Week after next's chair (nirik, 17:19:23)
* ACTION: kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting (nirik, 17:20:01)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:20:18)
Meeting ended at 17:25:33 UTC.
Action Items
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* kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting
Action Items, by person
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* kalev
* kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (55)
* sgallagh (14)
* kalev (12)
* zodbot (10)
* jwb (9)
* number80 (4)
* dgilmore (1)
* paragan (0)
* jsmith (0)
* maxamillion (0)
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17:00:03 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-03-18)
17:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Mar 18 17:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik.
Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-03-18)'
17:00:03 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
17:00:03 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev
sgallagh
17:00:03 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik
number80 paragan sgallagh
17:00:25 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
17:00:26 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher'
<sgallagh(a)redhat.com>
17:00:44 <dgilmore> I have a meeting for 15 minutes or so
17:00:58 <number80> .hello hguemar
17:00:58 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar'
<karlthered(a)gmail.com>
17:01:00 * nirik waits to see if we get quorum
17:02:53 <nirik> need at least one more. ;)
17:03:09 * kalev appears in a poof of magic.
17:03:35 <nirik> hurray. ;)
17:03:44 <nirik> there's not too much on the docket today...
17:03:53 <nirik> #topic Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to
implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled
17:03:53 <nirik> .fesco 1518
17:03:53 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518
17:03:56 <zodbot> nirik: #1518 (Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to
implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled) – FESCo -
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518
17:03:57 <nirik> sgallagh: any news here?
17:04:24 <sgallagh> I'm still waiting on the official word, but my side-channel
suggests we move ahead assuming it's coming
17:04:40 <nirik> ok, should we drop the meeting keyword here? or keep it to keep
track or ?
17:04:46 <sgallagh> So we should pull in that patch from Debian and run with it
17:05:28 <sgallagh> Just add a note telling Martin to pull in the patch and then
close it for now
17:05:48 <nirik> ok. want me to do that, or you want to?
17:05:50 <number80> sounds like a good plan
17:06:34 * kalev nods.
17:07:14 <sgallagh> I will
17:07:27 <nirik> thanks sgallagh
17:07:50 <nirik> #info sgallagh will close the ticket and ask firefox maintainer to
pull in patch for system dir extensions for now.
17:07:55 <nirik> #topic Review of delayed Changes for F24
17:07:55 <nirik> .fesco 1552
17:07:55 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552
17:07:56 <zodbot> nirik: #1552 (Review of delayed Changes for F24) – FESCo -
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552
17:08:06 <nirik> ok, we might have just not updated this last week...
17:08:12 <nirik> systemd split is done
17:08:26 <nirik> maxamillion is on pto today
17:08:45 <jwb> my apologies for being late
17:09:00 <nirik> no worries. ;)
17:09:32 <kalev> jwb: http://fpaste.org/342253/83209531/ if you want to catch up
with the first 8 minutes :)
17:09:40 <jwb> thank you
17:09:41 <nirik> so, last week we heard that the layered image build setup was
deployed in staging and being tested. I think he ran into various problems after that, but
I don't know the status
17:09:52 <nirik> I guess we just punt and revisit next week?
17:10:10 <kalev> yeah, probably best to wait for maxamillion
17:10:24 <kalev> we were going to cancel next week's meeting though, right?
17:10:24 <jwb> agreed
17:10:30 <jwb> kalev: yes
17:10:58 <nirik> oh yeah, right. so week after
17:11:30 <nirik> #topic modification to "Who is allowed to modify which
packages" for Fedora Objectives
17:11:31 <nirik> .fesco 1561
17:11:31 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561
17:11:32 <zodbot> nirik: #1561 (modification to "Who is allowed to modify which
packages" for Fedora Objectives) – FESCo -
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561
17:12:09 <nirik> I'm fine with the change and I like jwb's 'process'
:)
17:12:36 <sgallagh> This reminded me. Did we ever execute on dropping sysv-only
packages?
17:12:39 <jwb> yeah, i want the focus here to be "get things done" not
"file a bunch of tickets and argue"
17:12:50 <sgallagh> That was supposed to happen around branch
17:12:56 <kalev> I really like the idea of having a process of doing systematic
cleanups in all spec files
17:13:10 <nirik> sgallagh: I think the dropped the ball. ;(
17:13:24 <nirik> not sure how many are left.
17:13:30 <kalev> even for small things, like drop all ldconfig scriptlets in F25 and
then fesco approves the idea and someone just runs a script over all packages
17:13:41 * nirik nods
17:14:33 <kalev> we've been bad in doing systematic cleanups; FPC approves some
change and then it takes 3 years for the package collection to catch up
17:14:55 <jwb> :q
17:14:59 <jwb> oops
17:15:02 <nirik> sometimes the changes aren't easy to parse out tho... but
sometimes they are.
17:15:12 <kalev> but with a process like this, interested people could just clean up
all the packages in one go
17:15:48 <kalev> yeah, not everything can be automated :)
17:16:02 <nirik> sure, provided we are reasonably sure their scripting isn't
going to break everything. ;)
17:16:49 <nirik> proposal: add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process
jwb suggested to wiki.
17:17:15 <jwb> +1
17:17:23 <nirik> +1 my own proposal
17:17:35 <sgallagh> +1
17:17:36 <number80> +1
17:17:56 * nirik waits for dgilmore to get out of his 15min meeting. ;)
17:18:01 <kalev> +1
17:18:29 <nirik> well, thats +5 anyhow.
17:19:01 <nirik> #agreed add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process
jwb suggested to wiki. (+5,0,0)
17:19:05 <nirik> I can update the wiki
17:19:10 <nirik> #info nirik to update wiki
17:19:23 <nirik> #topic Week after next's chair
17:19:34 <nirik> Who wants it for next meeting (which is not next friday)
17:19:44 <kalev> I can do it
17:19:59 <sgallagh> Warning: the next meeting is on April 1st
17:20:01 <nirik> #action kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting
17:20:13 <nirik> that makes us all april fools? ;)
17:20:18 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:20:25 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor?
17:20:25 <number80> I'll be missing due to a FOSS convention at the same time
17:21:01 <sgallagh> I have one item
17:21:26 <jwb> i will be absent the next 3 weeks.
17:21:28 <sgallagh> In case anyone missed it, I'm going to be stepping down from
the Server WG in the next couple weeks. As such, there wil need to be a new liaison.
17:21:51 <sgallagh> The Server WG will probably nominate someone, but I thought it
would be good to mention.
17:21:52 <nirik> sgallagh: are you stepping down from fesco too? or just working
group and liasion?
17:22:10 <sgallagh> nirik: I am planning to at least serve out my current term
17:22:18 <nirik> ok, great. ;)
17:22:22 <sgallagh> I haven't made a decision about running for re-election :)
17:23:03 <nirik> ok
17:23:35 <nirik> anything else from anyone?
17:24:21 * nirik will close out in a minute if nothing else.
17:25:30 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
17:25:33 <nirik> #endmeeting