On 10/17/19 1:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 03:05:43PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> Realistically, I believe that default streams themselves are something we
> should avoid, if the cost is low, and it is. There are many users,
> probably the vast majority of users, that don't use Modularity. It's great
> to have the option available, but to force it upon them is really
> unfortunate.
I don't think characterizing this as "forced upon users" is a good
framing.
It's unnecessarily hostile. Users who happen to get packages which are in a
default stream shouldn't experience any practical difference from having a
non-modular package.
I don't like the language either, but it's undeniable that dealing with
modules is different than dealing with normal packages. Enabling a module
excludes those packages in the module from "normal" depsolving. I've just
run
into that with the RHEL8 rhn-tools module which provides koan (and excludes
cobbler). I couldn't install my own cobbler or koan packages (with higher
EVRs) from my copr until I disabled that module - and it was not easy to
figure that out.
I'm also not adverse to learning new ways of doing things. I think modules
can still provide some clear benefits to users and developers eventually, but
let's not pretend there are no differences involved.
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