On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:54:09AM -0400, JT wrote:
> But with my Fedora Ambassador hat on I can tell you that the
problem
we see right now is not that we don't have people coming to Fedora. We have
a problem helping people to connect to where the work is happening in a way
that they can contribute.
> And this includes both mentoring them to be able to contribute, but also
accepting the fact that new people can bring new ideas, and we should
provide them space to work on them and not just expect them to follow and
do what they were told to do.
[^^^^^^ side note about the above ^^^^^^^
Your mail client breaks quoting: it only inserts ">" on the first
line, and not the later lines of the quote. This makes your mails
harder to read than they should be. The same is true in your other
mails, it's not a one-off thing.]
Have you run into situations
where someone wanted to contribute to development but was unwilling to use
a mailing list? With a community as big as Fedora and with a multitude of
ways that people can contribute, I'm curious what the roadblocks you are
seeing for people wanting to get into development. I can completely
understand if someone wants to join mindshare, D&I, outreachy, or docs,
etc... that they might find a mailinglist to cumbersome to work with. Have
you run into sitautions where people wanted to get involved in development
but were having issues with a mailing list?
All those things are *development*. Without infra and docs and people and
communication, the remaining development "core" would mean very little. And to
make the project effective we absolutely need to cooperate and coordinate
across all those teams.
So if we have whole groups of people who find [some communication medium]
tedious, it is a very strong argument against that medium. (I'm still reading
the thread and haven't made up my mind, but if anything, this part of the
discussion is a strong argument *for* discourse, because there are clear
problems with the mailing list approach and it's easier for long-time
contributors like you and me to adjust than for newcomers.)
Zbyszek