On 4/10/22 16:27, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 10:51 PM Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:01 PM Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
Moving past the Big Three(tm), the actual cloud providers that matter from a Fedora context are the smaller outfits that principally serve Linux users. These are companies like DigitalOcean, Linode (Akamai), Hetzner, VexxHost, and others who graciously do offer Fedora Linux in their platforms. All of their virtualization platforms are BIOS only right now, and getting them to switch requires them to uplift their platforms to support UEFI in the first place.
They may only support Linux users today, but if they want to grow (and while it is possible to survive as a niche service, many see growth as the way to increased revenue/profits (go big or go home)), they are going to get pushed (perhaps kicking and screaming) to support UEFI as at least an alternative moving forward as some of their customers are going to prefer using a single provider, and Windows 11 requires UEFI(*)(**), and it would be a shame if only the big players were eligible for hosting such services(***).
Many of these comments seem to be about the date, not the end state (UEFI)(****), just like 32-bit x86 and armv7. No one wants their personal ox gored, but there will come a time when it will be time to let old systems go.
"We" (and when I say "we", I understand that is mostly not me), are going to have to continue to document (and fix, where "we" have the knowledge) the areas that need improvement for UEFI booting and runtime.
Windows is a niche in the server space, rather than the default. And Microsoft didn't even remove the server exception to continue using BIOS until last year from the Windows platform qualification documentation. It's *definitely* going to be a while, especially with Windows Server 2019 being supported until the end of the decade.
Just tested installing Windows Server 2019 in a QEMU virtual machine on a 40 GB virtual hard disk and 2 GB RAM. It formatted the disk as MBR and installed just fine, no warnings, no deprecations, no nothing. Mainstream support for Windows Server 2019 ends in January 9, 2024, extended support lasts until January 9, 2029.
Windows 11 *does not matter* here. Windows Server is what matters here, and there are no announced Windows Server versions following the Windows 11 platform requirements.
I agree. IMO, Windows 11 is only good for home desktop use (and for that purpose, Windows 10 is just as good, there are only cosmetic differences in the UI), it is irrelevant for servers, because of the artificial restrictions that Microsoft puts on their desktop operating systems (limited number of connections, limited number of websites you can host in IIS, etc.) in order to boost their Windows Server sales. Ironically, due to this fact, Windows Server works better as a desktop, than Windows 10 or 11 as a server. At work we use Windows Server for web development in Visual Studio, because it just works better, e.g. you can deploy multiple web sites on your machine, etc. :)
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