On 5/28/21 12:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 12:01 -0400, PGNet Dev wrote:
> On 5/27/21 2:04 PM, Nick Bebout wrote:
>> Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC network for
our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes to that network, the Fedora
Project is moving our IRC communications to Libera.Chat.
>
> If a still-fuzzy "variety of recent changes to that network" are the reason
for this latest fire-drill/tempest, then just fyi,
> A Lee's provided some documented reply,
>
>
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenode/web-7.0/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf
> https://freenode.net/news/post-mortem-may21
>
> To my read it doesn't seem as clear-cut as some are making it all out to be. If
'trust' is the underlying issue here, there seems to be enuf not passing the smell
test on 'both sides'.
>
> IME, projects want a place to talk that's trustworthy.
Freenode has also shut down every channel that posted a libera.chat
link in its topic. That's not very 'trustworthy'. This happened to
multiple Fedora-related projects/channels, including #cockpit , for
instance.
Sure. And, what? Not the 1st time projects have acted on "don't talk about
other projects in here" ...
Did anyone try to contact @freenode about that? I certainly dunno about that. Maybe so,
maybe not.
Just reading through those screenshotted chats, etc, seems 2 me there's enough
"shouldn't have handled it that way" to go around.
I'm not 'defending' _any_ purile/petty/powermad/etc. BS.
I'm jut fyi'ing here, in the hopes that folks will make / have made an informed
decision -- and pick-their-poison, and not simply to the lemmings-off-a-cliff biz cuz,
"hey, it's the new hotness".
If it's all thoroughly researched, understood, and rationally decided, then I'm
certainly cool with it.
All _I_ heard was some buzz in #fedora* @ freenode a week or so back that "moving
fast/immediately is too hard, and would be too disruptive to users", and then
suddenly, this^^ email.
Beyond that, not a clue as to what discussion was had. Not that it's "my
project" to begin with, so few expectations 'bout that in the 1st place.