Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

[Michal Konecny]

Hi,

firstly i recommend to use Fedora toolbox [0] for this kind of things on 
Silverblue (it's part of Silverblue already).

Secondly, isn't this what modules are meant for? I'm not sure if there 
is one for JDK on Fedora.

Regards,
Michal Konecny

[0] - https://github.com/debarshiray/toolbox

On 4/11/19 1:40 PM, Ty Young wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of 
>  beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to 
>  install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. 
>  However, Fedora fails to meet these requirements so badly I'm fairly 
>  certain whoever packaged and approved the various Java RPMs was on 
>  shrooms(partial offense, sorry but this is nuts).
>
>  Confused? Never installed Java in Fedora before? Lets go down the 
>  rabbit hole together!
>
>  Firstly, the java version installed by doing:
>
>  rpm-ostree install java
>
>  gets you Java 8. I understand that Red Hat is providing support until 
>  sometime 2023 however I feel it to be much more appropriate that this 
>  either gives the latest LTS(11 currently) or the newest JDK(12 
>  currently). Even if still technically support, installing a JRE that 
>  old isn't likey to be advised. Even in Ubuntu 18.10  you get Java 11.
>
>  OK, so just specify the specific versions that you actually need and 
>  everything will work as it should. No big deal, right? Nope.
>
>  alternatives(see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java), which is 
>  supposed to allow you to switch between Java versions, flat out 
>  doesn't work. You tell it to list all alternatives like so:
>
>  alternatives --display java
>
>  and the command executes without printing anything. Odd. Let's just 
>  check what's in /usr/lib/jvm for a sanity check:
>
>  ls /usr/lib/jvm
>
>  java-11-openjdk-11.0.2.7-7.fc30.x86_64
>  java-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
>  java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
>  jre
>  jre-11
>  jre-11-openjdk
>  jre-11-openjdk-11.0.2.7-7.fc30.x86_64
>  jre-12
>  jre-12-openjdk
>  jre-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
>  jre-1.8.0
>  jre-1.8.0-openjdk
>  jre-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
>  jre-openjdk
>
>  ...
>
>  What. I only installed Java 8, Java 11, and Java 12. Installing Java 
>  on either Ubuntu and Arch doesn't duplicate any JRE/JDK like this.
>
>  OK, so lets open it in nautilus:
>
>  nautilus /usr/lib/jvm
>
>  Those aren't duplicates, all but 3 folders are system links? What? 
>  This should be the one and only system location for JRE/JDK(s). What's 
>  going on here? Where do they go?
>
>  They go to /etc/alternatives. I guess this is supposed to be how 
>  alternatives finds alternative JRE/JDK installs. Ubuntu doesn't have 
>  to do this for update-alternatives nor does Arch's archlinux-java 
>  script but... OK. This is insanely complicated for no real good reason.
>
>  But wait, we aren't done yet because what's being linked to from 
>  /usr/lib/jvm isn't a file, it's... another system link. Back to the 3 
>  non system links in /usr/lib/jvm which have horrendously long and 
>  complex folder names. Is calling them 
>  java-<version>-<jre/jdk>-<oracle/zulu/openjdk> not enough?
>
>  To top this "what" fest off, the JRE/JDK folders in /etc/alternatives 
>  aren't even named properly. That is to say,   "jre" is attached to the 
>  front even if what's being linked is a JDK. Yes, a JDK contains a JRE 
>  but it's still horribly confusing for no good reason. Like, imagining 
>  if alternatives did work, does it list duplicate entries for each 
>  JRE/JDK? For example:
>
>  jre_11
>  java-11-openjdk
>
>  which(again) system link to the same JDK install.
>
>  What shroom induced insanity is this? Why does alternatives not work?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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