On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:31 PM Aleksandra Fedorova <alpha(a)bookwar.info> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:10 PM Miro HronĨok <mhroncok(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 12. 11. 19 17:02, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > Again, no one forces you or any other packager to use modularity
> > tooling right now.
> >
> > As Fedora developer you have a choice to join the effort, bring your
> > input and use cases, try and test (and revert if it doesn't work) or
> > you can stay away from it and keep using same tools as before.
>
>
> Unfortunately, this is not true. It is not possible to ignore modularity, if the
> dependencies are modularized. It is not possible to ignore modularity, if the
> dependents are modularized. It is not possible to ignore modularity, if the
> packages I wish to use are modularized.
>
> I wish Fedora packagers and users cold "stay away". But that is currently
not
> possible. My proposal to keep all defaults as non-modular packages would make it
> exactly so.
Ursa Prime effort achieves the same goal. It removes the "viral" part
of Modularity I think.
That is absolutely its purpose. If we fall short of that, it's a bug
and we will fix it as soon as possible.
As well as policy which restricts the set of default modules, which
I
think we need to change from "FESCo approves new default modules" to
"each request for new default module should be treated as a
System-Wide Change".
I'm fine with that.
Again I fail to see the _technical_ difference between the ursine
rpm
package and a package which was built as a part of default stream. It
is the same rpm spec from the same dist-git sources, which is built by
the same rpmbuild command. Thus I think it is a process/policy
difference, which we should resolve.
I'll acknowledge that there may be subtle differences (such as the
different "release" tag), but none (offhand) that should have a
meaningful impact as long as other policy is in place.
And I will support a hard block on creating new default streams,
until
it is resolved.
(With the exception of eclipse probably, which is in a broken state
already, and for which we need to find a solution.)
This is already in place.