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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange(a)redhat.com>
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
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Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot" <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net>
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:02:52 AM
Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
Watching the discussion in the other big thread, I feel it has
become
rather too toxic & negative, going over & over the same points, verging
into personal insults, and repeatly beating people over the previous
communication or process failures. I struggle to see anything positive
coming from further contributors joining in that discussion thread,
which I expect is why so many choose to remain silent.
Agreed on the toxicity and negativity, but I still think it is important
to get a sense of everyone's thoughts, not just those of us who participate
in this thread.
Going for a formal vote on this topic would not be a good step at
this
point in time, as the issue is far too emotive & raw. A vote will serve
to crystalize division instead of healing it & we need to consider what
is viable, as voting for something that can't then be delivered is even
worse.
I wasn't suggesting a formal vote. I was suggesting a survey, using an
existing mechanism. We could also use Google forms (like Modularity did),
but that'd make the results less visible and some people don't like
Google. Also, the voting mechanism ties into FAS ID's and has restrictions
on who can participate (users with two different groups right?). It'd be
hard to enforce something similar with Google forms.
IMHO there needs to be a general cooling off period, followed by a
fresh
look at what the realistic options available to Fedora are, given the
current decisions that have been made & the resources available to the
project[1]. We need to be positive & constructive if we're to make any
progress, and get out of the negative blame game we're in right now.
I think we need to involve everyone who CPE works with in one forum,
otherwise we'll likely arrive at maintaining two separate projects,
one just for Fedora and one for CentOS and Red Hat. Perhaps that is
what is best though, who knows.
Regards,
Daniel
[1] I'm not saying that we must go ahead with the decision to replace
Pagure with GitLab. Just that we need to carefully consider where
to go from here, as any decision needs to be sustainable for the
project in the long term.
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