Re: just to let you know FESCo agreed to a preliminary injunction while we consider this issue
On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
<devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Neal Gompa wrote:
> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
> someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
> disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin.
I cannot really speak for Sérgio. I do think his choice of words in the
particular mail you are referring to could have been better. (In particular,
I would not have used the word "crap" there.) But please keep in mind that
he (like me) is not a native English speaker.
I can, though, speak for myself, and I am frankly surprised that you are
offended by the tone of my messages. Are you sure that it is not the content
that upsets you rather than the tone? And if it is, try asking you why the
content upsets you. Maybe because it points out inconvenient facts?
> Neither of you are aligning with the Fedora Foundation of Friends, and
> the personal attacks were unwarranted and unwanted.
We (the KDE SIG and me) stopped being Friends when you (the KDE SIG)
unilaterally decided to ban me from all your communication channels, a ban
that has still not been lifted years after the alleged misconduct (on IRC
only, but the ban was extended to the mailing list and even your Pagure
issue trackers!) you accused me of.
Wait, you're banned from all the KDE channels in Fedora? I have no idea what led to
that, though the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind of bans out
flippantly. But regardless, that calls into question your position as an unbiased
observer.
>
>Nevertheless, I am really trying hard to not make this personal. What I
>disagree with is the technical decision to remove X11 support from the
>Fedora Plasma packaging. I also objected right when you filed your Change
>Proposal that the KDE SIG has no authority to declare in the Change that
>Fedora will NOT ship something because other packagers are free to package
>it. A belief that at the time was actually shared by the KDE SIG, or at
>least by the one KDE SIG member who has publicly commented on it:
>https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/11
>Though the wording in the Change Proposal was not changed. Possibly because
>you did not believe at the time that I was serious about submitting those
>packages, just like others did not believe you were serious about removing
>X11 support from Plasma packaging. But I am of the kind that when I promise
>something, I tend to deliver on it.
>
>> What we're doing is bold for sure, but aligns with two more of the Fedora
>> Foundations, First and Features.
>
>I can see how it aligns with "First", but how does removing a major feature
>that users rely on align with "Features"?
>
>I also believe that denying users the choice of continuing to use X11
>despite upstream still supporting it does not align with the "Freedom" and
>"Friends" principles.
>
>> And for the first time in a long time, Fedora KDE has generated
>> significant buzz in the community and media.
>
>Any press is good press? I believe that the coverage only hurts the
>reputation of the Fedora KDE SIG. If you see the discussions, many people
>are grabbing their virtual pitchforks, or silently switching distributions
>as a result of the news (even though it is actually fake news because I had
>already stated back in September that I would reintroduce the X11 packages
>should you remove them, a fact that the press has not bothered researching).
>Sure, there are some very vocal fanboys screaming "Death to X11!", but I
>really do not understand why, because nobody is forcing them to use X11.
>There is no need to remove X11 to make Wayland great.
>
>> I'm excited for the future of Fedora KDE with Plasma Wayland, as well
>> as what we're doing with the upstream KDE community. :)
>
>And nobody is taking that away.
>
> Kevin Kofler
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