On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:06:24 AM MST Jiri Eischmann wrote:
mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and
> > address the
> > idea that "if the firewall blocks it, the app breaks, so it's the
> > firewall's
> > fault": It's not. If the firewall has not been opened, that just
> > means it
> > can't be accessed by remote systems until you EXPLICITLY open that
> > port, with
> > the correct protocol, on your firewall. That's FINE. That's how
> > it's designed
> > to work. There's nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > This means that the system administrator (or owner, if this is
> > some
> > individual's personal system) must allow the port to be accessed
> > remotely,
> > before the app can be reached remotely, increasing the security of
> > the system.
>
>
> You've already lost me here. Sorry, but we do not and will not
> install a firewall GUI that exposes complex technical details like
> port numbers. Expecting users to edit firewall rules to use their
> apps is ridiculous and I'm not really interested in debating it.
Yeah, when you ask users questions they're not qualified to answer,
you're just creating bad design.
I always imagine my mom (who BTW has been a Fedora user for years) how
she'd deal with that and I can't really imagine her opening/closing
firewall ports. She'd be puzzled even by "Do you trust this network?"
and would probably just click "Yes" to make it go away. No additional
security, just annoying UX.
Jiri
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In that case, let me be clear:
Users are NOT qualified to select the GNOME spin, as they don't even know it
disables the firewall.
This is why you'd just implement sane defaults like the KDE spin, instead of
opening literally every port on the system to the world.
--
John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
Splentity
https://splentity.com/