I've been quietly lurking for ages now, but this is really too much.
So the argument is "you can't teach and old dog new tricks"?
I am an "old" user by this definition (though I prefer emacs to vi) and
I don't see any problems with this at all. It looks substantially nicer
than it did before (Kudos to everyone involved with this) and would
appear to the newer-to-linux set.
It also brings a vast improvement for me: when the x server restarts my
monitor takes a bit to resync ... causing a delay of 1+ seconds on each
restart before the picture is usable.
Hitting alt-f2 isn't any harder than hitting alt-f1, and if you've got X
as you're primary display (via runlevel 5) then I'd argue that X _is_
the first virtual console.
My only complaint is that I'd like to be able to set a console to 80x25
but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.
Brian
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:09 +0300, Dmitry Butskoy wrote:
Christopher Stone wrote:
>
> I don't see how tty7 or tty1 makes any difference to a desktop user,
> or a server user, or a newbie or an expert.
It makes a difference for "old" user.
Some old age users (35+) began when the desktop was poor and monitors
were bad. Very often they started on a serial "dumb" tty (like vt100),
and use Vi to type their programs and cmdline for everything else.
For the same reason, why you cannot cause your grandmother to love
modern club music (she still prefer classic or rock-n-roll), the old
Linux users still prefer (yes, it is so!) to use Linux consoles. Someone
use it rarely, someone every day.
Certainly it is impossible to not use GUI now, and surely they use GUI.
But because of it habits, they switch to consoles often enough. In other
words, they do Ctrl-Alt-Fn to go to a console, and Alt-F7 to go to X.
And they press this keys every day every hour.
When you go to change tty7 to tty1, you cause them to change their
habits from Ctrl-ALt-F1/Alt-F7 to Ctlr-Alt-F2/Alt-F1. It is not good.
Why? Try to cause your grandmother to listen modern music, she will
answer you...
Please note, that Linux (and Fedora) is not for "young people" only. It
is for "all the people". Not for "young enthusiasts", there are a lot
of
"already not young" enthusiasts. The community consisting only from
young men, is impractical in the real serious world...
~buc