Re: Fedora đź’” Java: The Death of Two SIGs
Am 27.09.2021 um 12:30 schrieb Fabio Valentini
<decathorpe(a)gmail.com>:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 12:19 PM Peter Boy <pboy(a)uni-bremen.de> wrote:
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>> Am 27.09.2021 um 11:13 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr>:
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>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:57:12AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
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>>> What do you want to gain from it? What is the goal to be?
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>> I believe the original email from Fabio answers both of these questions.
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> I don’t find a plan or a goal. Please, provide me with a hint.
All I wanted to say is that the current state is disingenuous at best,
and misleading at first.
Unfortunately yes, indeed.
By having @java-maint-sig as one of the admins of a package (and for
most of them, also the default bugzilla assignee), while that group
doesn't really function any longer, a false expectation of "there's a
whole group of people maintaining this package", while the reality is
closer to "zero or maybe one person might be looking at this package
once a year".
I think you characterize the situation very pessimistically. Obviously the constructions
work to a certain extent. For example, we have 3 different versions of the JDK available
in parallel, which also receive regular updates. We have important applications as tomcat.
So we have something to build on.
And this kind of situation is in no way special or exclusive to Java sig. We have or had a
similar situation with a number of other Fedora sigs, e.g. Fedora Server Edition which
underwent a "reboot" late last year. And the current situation of Fedora docs is
not much better than that of Java. Sociologically, such alternating phases are typical for
volunteer projects. They need a "refresh" or a "revitalization“ and new
members with new impulses every now and then. All this is normal.
So there is no reason to give up and expect or bring about the demise of the Fedora Java
stack. The challenge is to organize such a "reboot". It requires a number of
prerequisites, and that is not easy.
I'd rather have the group start from zero now, and start
*adding*
packages again that are actually really needed, wanted, and
maintained.
This should also be a less daunting prospect for potential packagers
who are now just lurking on the sidelines, ... (I actually know that there's a few
of those
Yes. One of the challenges is to organize a meeting where all these potential packagers
meet - in one place and at the same time and that along with some of the current
packagers. And that's something we're already struggling with at the moment.
- thank you for contacting me off-list. you know who you are
:) )
I have to thank you. I am still following my ‚project' and would like to contact you
with a few questions later.
Peter