On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:42 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
<devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Josh Boyer wrote:
> I want to make sure I understand that statement. You're saying you
> will actively walk away from Fedora because you would have to change
> the manner in which you discuss things?
I am saying I and many other existing contributors may or may not walk away
from Fedora entirely, and even if not, may reduce our interaction with
Fedora, due to being forced to use a discussion tool that does not support
our workflows.
Ah. May or may not. That gives me hope at least.
Heck, it does not even work in my browser (Falkon) without ugly
workarounds.
(
https://discuss.kde.org/t/discuss-kde-org-cannot-be-accessed-by-konqueror...)
> That's certainly a choice one could make. Personally, I would not
> prioritize keeping my bespoke email setup intact over working with a
> community on a project I care about. If there's even a remote
> possibility moving to Discourse will attract more contributors to
> Fedora then I'd happily learn how to deal with it. Change is
> difficult, but in the end it's something we're all capable of.
I do not understand this double standard: You and several others are
expecting new contributors to walk away from Fedora due to the manner in
which we discuss things, but in the same time act surprised when warned that
existing contributors are likely to do exactly that. In fact, we have much
more reason to do so because the new workflow is a regression, and forcing
it on us over our objections actively tells us we are no longer welcome.
I don't think it's a double standard. I think people that already
know how Fedora development and contribution works are inherently in a
better position to adapt to something new, whereas net-new
contributors are unlikely to even start based on an email driven
practice. It's a barrier to entry problem. If we, as the experienced
and capable contributor base, can adapt to something and lower the
barrier to entry then it benefits us all.
To be clear, I do not like forums. Discourse is perhaps the best
forum platform I've used, but that doesn't mean I like it. What I
dislike more than forum software is knowing we're leaving people that
could do great things and spread more awareness of Fedora simply
because we've ossified on a communication platform that is hard to
discover and consume.
josh