On 2024-02-01 8:18 a.m., Sérgio Basto wrote:
On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 07:08 -0500, Steve Cossette wrote:
> So, if you all don't mind, I'd like to steer this discussion in a
> slightly different way:
>
> What is the definition of a Fedora Change Proposal?
Proposal was not accepted by many members of the community try accept
that .
A proposal will always have opposing members, that's how it always is
for everything in life. That's why Fesco then makes a judgement call and
decides on what to do. But I do believe your reply was besides the point.
> I was under the impression it was an announcement of intent by the
> maintainers of a specific subset of the fedora project to "change"
> something. Once said announcement has been discussed publicly, Fesco
> (Sorry if the capitals are incorrect) discusses it internally
> (albeit, publicly) and either blocks or approves the change, making
> it official.
>
> (Please note: The following paragraphs will use "we" as a pronoun
> which is intended to be the Fedora project as a whole)
>
> Once approved, we announced our intent to drop X11 from the KDE spin
> of Fedora. That announcement has gained traction everywhere, got
> publicized and everything. As Neal Gompa also stated, it has already
> caused some substantial development effort upstream to effectively
> iron out the rough edges of many of the problems, with what I assume
> is more to come.
>
> My fear is that, while those x11 libraries/runtimes/... would indeed
> no longer be maintained by the KDE sig, we would basically just be
> partially rolling back that initial proposal. And the quality of said
> packages would also maybe suffer from them being updated separately,
> which might also reflect poorly on us (again, in this context, "us" =
> the Fedora Project).
First, KDE SIG people are not the only persons that support and
maintain KDE , I'm maintainer of smb4k , kdenlive, kwave , smplayer and
more packages related with KDE and Qt .
The problem is not KDE SIG not support X11, the problem is KDE SIG want
drop X11 and force user to use wayland .
The other problem is not reach to an agreement with some members of KDE
SIG , which they think that can impose his decisions .
Yes, and we (Again, as-in, the Fedora community) deeply appreciates you
for your contributions. I was, again, trying to make a big picture
comment about the whole thing, not as an attack on you specifically.
And yes, that /is/ the whole point: We want to foster the use of
Wayland, to increase it's adoption, to force people using it to hit
snags along the road and fill tickets so those issues can be fixed.
You'd be amazed how many issues I've seen being fixed in the last couple
months.
> It would also introduce a precedent: What if later a proposal is made
> to remove some old drivers from, let's say, the kernel, and someone
> decides to package it, undermining the general efforts of that
> proposal?
>
> Hopefully I'm making sense. Writing this 30mins after waking up might
> not have helped. What I'm trying to say basically is, I get that for
> some legacy nvidia users the Wayland experience may not be optimal.
> But will it ever be? Does that mean we can never drop x11? Will
> anyone ever update those legacy nvidia drivers? Could they be?
>
> Le mar. 30 janv. 2024, à 07 h 48, Sérgio Basto<sergio(a)serjux.com> a
> écrit :
>> Link to the FESCo ticket:https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165
>>
>> and I'm very upset
>>
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