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On 08/12/2010 12:33 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgrath(a)redhat.com) wrote:
> Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a
> single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not
> point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one
> individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure.
>
> Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more
> than half of a full release cycle.
While I side with mclasen here and believe that it is a strength of
Fedora that we take the liberty to let cycles slip rather then
compromise quality, I want to mention one thing: on opensuse the "base"
system has a different schedule then the rest of the OS. i.e. the
kernel, gcc, glibc and the low-level tools freeze first, while
everything else may be hacked on a couple of weeks more. Maybe that's
something to adopt for Fedora as well?
Lennart
Well we have the critical path set of packages, however I'm not sure how
we can enforce a freeze on those packages before a "freeze" on all the
other packages (ie forcing everything through bodhi like we do at the
branch)
We can ask and say pretty please, but I suspect as long as the
buildsystem allows it, crap will still crash land at the last possible
moment.
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