Re: Request for Comments: updating RPMs using binary deltas

[Jef Spaleta]

Lamar Owen wrote:
>  Available can mean the install media; it could mean a few GB of space
> on the 
>  user's HD (if they chose to install a local repository of the RPMs that they 
>  installed (which would have to be updated as new RPMs are installed, or be a 
>  full copy one)).  It could mean a download of the original off the update 
>  server if the user just simply cannot find the original RPM, in which case 
>  the advantage is negated.  They should learn to keep the CD or other local 
>  repository around anyway to be able to roll back errant updates. 
Whoa!!!!! are you saying that you actually expect people to KEEP the
install media around or to KEEP a local repository ondisk. Feel free to
come in to #fedora on irc, and try to TEACH users the lessons you want
them to LEARN. User don't LEARN, if you really think keeping a locally
cached repo or iso images on hand is needed, the distribution is going
to have to ENFORCE that idea on users....and somehow i just don't see a
lot of users being happy about having to have 3 Core
isos + ALL the possible future packages from Extras and Alternatives
hanging around eating up local disk space just to install tiny updates
that may or may not ever materialize. People don't necessarily keep full
install media knocking around..you can't tell them its a good idea, but
they arent going to do it without some arm twisting. People are as
likely to 'borrow' someone's set of install media as they are to get
their friend to burn them a copy. 


-jef"I'll learn 'em, I'll learn 'em good"spaleta

Request for Comments: updating RPMs using binary deltas

[Lamar Owen]

On Thursday 08 January 2004 09:48 pm, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>  Lamar Owen wrote:
>  > original RPM, in which case the advantage is negated.  They should learn
>  > to keep the CD or other local repository around anyway to be able to roll
>  > back errant updates. 
>  Whoa!!!!! are you saying that you actually expect people to KEEP the
>  install media around or to KEEP a local repository ondisk.  
If Windows users can do it, why not the Elite Linux Userbase. :-)

>  they arent going to do it without some arm twisting. People are as
>  likely to 'borrow' someone's set of install media as they are to get
>  their friend to burn them a copy. 
Then they would pay by having to wait for the original to download.
-- 
Lamar Owen
Director of Information Technology
Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute
1 PARI Drive
Rosman, NC  28772
[phone]
www.pari.edu

Request for Comments: updating RPMs using binary deltas

[seth vidal]

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 23:06, Lamar Owen wrote:
>  On Thursday 08 January 2004 09:48 pm, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>  > Lamar Owen wrote:
>  > > original RPM, in which case the advantage is negated.  They should learn
>  > > to keep the CD or other local repository around anyway to be able to roll
>  > > back errant updates.
>  
>  > Whoa!!!!! are you saying that you actually expect people to KEEP the
>  > install media around or to KEEP a local repository ondisk. 
>  
>  If Windows users can do it, why not the Elite Linux Userbase. :-)
>   
1. b/c windows users have their media, sometimes b/c they HAVE TO
2. windows users normally don't have 3+ isos of data
3. windows has a definitive THIS ONE binary is windows98
4. windows users can't recompile their stuff and give it the same build
number
5. I know a number of linux users who cannot convincingly login. They
certainly won't be able to keep track of a couple of cds they burnt 6
months ago.

-sv

Request for Comments: updating RPMs using binary deltas

[Lamar Owen]

On Thursday 08 January 2004 11:06 pm, seth vidal wrote:
>  1. b/c windows users have their media, sometimes b/c they HAVE TO
>  2. windows users normally don't have 3+ isos of data 
Installed datacenter server lately?

>  3. windows has a definitive THIS ONE binary is windows98 
No.  I run into this all the time, where there are undocumented Win98, even 
Win2K respins where a file is in a different CAB from the original media on 
another CD.  Win98 in particular is terrible for this; I try to keep track of 
which CD belongs to which PC because of it.
-- 
Lamar Owen
Director of Information Technology
Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute
1 PARI Drive
Rosman, NC  28772
[phone]
www.pari.edu