Fedora 35 - gedit

[Michael J. Baars]

Hi All,

I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest Fedora
Workstation 35 on one of my computers.

Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first programs I
tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer (and
the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse when
trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the very
first time that I experience this problem.

Help would be appreciated,

Best regards,
Mischa Baars.

[Mikel Olasagasti]

Hi Mischa,

Hau idatzi du Michael J. Baars (mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com)
erabiltzaileak (2021 aza. 9, ar. (10:14)):
>  Hi All,
>
>  I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest Fedora
> Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>
>  Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first programs I
> tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer (and
> the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse when
>  trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the very
> first time that I experience this problem. 
This happened to me also with Fedora 34. I switched to
gnome-text-editor's flatpak as gedit replacement and, although is not
a complete replacement, it has some nice features.

Kind regards,
Mikel

[Michael J. Baars]

Hi Mikel,

Good to know! I would otherwise have downgraded to Fedora 34. Now I don't
have to find out for myself the hard way that that wouldn't have been very
much of a solution.

I will try one of the Gnome mailing lists as well, see if we can find some
people that are able to fix this.

Best regards,
Mischa.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, 12:08 Mikel Olasagasti, <mikel(a)olasagasti.info&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Mischa,
>
>  Hau idatzi du Michael J. Baars (mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com)
>  erabiltzaileak (2021 aza. 9, ar. (10:14)):
>  >
>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the
>  newest Fedora Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>  >
>  > Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the
>  first programs I tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After
>  opening a few
>  > source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the
>  mouse pointer (and the line number) often does not end up where I clicked
>  the mouse when
>  > trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example).
>  This is the very first time that I experience this problem.
>
>  This happened to me also with Fedora 34. I switched to
>  gnome-text-editor's flatpak as gedit replacement and, although is not
>  a complete replacement, it has some nice features.
>
>  Kind regards,
>  Mikel
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[Fabio Valentini]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:13 AM Michael J. Baars
<mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi All,
>
>  I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest Fedora
> Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>
>  Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first programs I
> tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer (and
> the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse when
>  trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the very
> first time that I experience this problem.
>
>  Help would be appreciated, 
Have you tried just updating your Fedora 35 system with the most recent updates?
Because I noticed a recent gnome-shell and mutter update that claims
to fix jumping cursor positions in text editors:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6

Fabio

[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 13:00 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>  On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:13 AM Michael J. Baars
>  <mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi All,
>  > 
>  > I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest
> Fedora Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>  > 
>  > Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first
> programs I tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  > source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer
> (and the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse
>  > when
>  > trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the
> very first time that I experience this problem.
>  > 
>  > Help would be appreciated,
>  
>  Have you tried just updating your Fedora 35 system with the most recent updates?
>  Because I noticed a recent gnome-shell and mutter update that claims
>  to fix jumping cursor positions in text editors:
>  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6
>  
>  Fabio 
Hi,

No, not yet. I will in just a minute if you say that should help. Let me get back on this.
By the way, it's not like the window is scrolling into position, it's
the cursor and the mouse pointer that end up on the wrong line number. Let me try to
update ...

I did write an email to the gnome applications (discourse) mailing list. Hope that will
help too.

Mischa.

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[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 13:00 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>  On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:13 AM Michael J. Baars
>  <mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi All,
>  > 
>  > I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest
> Fedora Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>  > 
>  > Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first
> programs I tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  > source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer
> (and the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse
>  > when
>  > trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the
> very first time that I experience this problem.
>  > 
>  > Help would be appreciated,
>  
>  Have you tried just updating your Fedora 35 system with the most recent updates?
>  Because I noticed a recent gnome-shell and mutter update that claims
>  to fix jumping cursor positions in text editors:
>  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6
>   
Ok, well, I don't know exactly when Fedora 35 was released, but neither 'dnf
distro-sync' not 'dnf check-update' wants to install the desired update or
anything
at all for that matter. November 2 :)

>  Fabio
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[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 13:00 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>  On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:13 AM Michael J. Baars
>  <mjbaars1977.fedora.devel(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi All,
>  > 
>  > I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest
> Fedora Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>  > 
>  > Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first
> programs I tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  > source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer
> (and the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse
>  > when
>  > trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the
> very first time that I experience this problem.
>  > 
>  > Help would be appreciated,
>  
>  Have you tried just updating your Fedora 35 system with the most recent updates?
>  Because I noticed a recent gnome-shell and mutter update that claims
>  to fix jumping cursor positions in text editors:
>  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 
Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6' either. It keeps
saying: "Nothing to do"???

>  Fabio
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[Vitaly Zaitsev]

On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade
> --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6' either. It keeps saying: "Nothing to
> do"??? 
sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 
--enablerepo=updates-testing

-- 
Sincerely,
   Vitaly Zaitsev (vitaly(a)easycoding.org)

[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>  On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6' either. It
> keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
>  
>  sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 
>  --enablerepo=updates-testing
>   
Does that work on you machine??? Still nothing on mine.

Best regards,
Mischa.

>  -- 
>  Sincerely,
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[root@tp10 ~]# dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 --enablerepo=updates-testing
--refresh
Fedora 35
-x86_64                                                                                   
                                                                     
                                                                                          
                                                                     
                 226 kB/s |  17 kB     00:00    
Fedora 35 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64                                                  
                                                                     
                                                                                          
                                                               1.8
kB/s | 990  B     00:00    
Fedora Modular 35 - x86_64                                                                
                                                                     
                                                                                          
                                                                    
                   180 kB/s |  17 kB     00:00    
Fedora 35 - x86_64 - Updates                                                              
                                                                     
                                                                                          
                                                                    
                26 kB/s |  18 kB     00:00    
Fedora Modular 35 - x86_64 - Updates                                                      
                                                                     
                                                                                          
                                                                    
    48 kB/s |  18 kB     00:00    
Fedora 35 - x86_64 - Test Updates                                                         
                                                                    
                                                                                          
                                                                    
             25 kB/s |  17 kB     00:00  
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

[Otto Urpelainen]

Michael J. Baars kirjoitti 9.11.2021 klo 17.56:
>  On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
> >> Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6' either.
> It keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
> >
> > sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6
> > --enablerepo=updates-testing
> >
>  
>  Does that work on you machine??? Still nothing on mine. 
Please check the package versions you have installed against the 
versions in the update. Instructions:

First, check what the update installs. In the linked Bodhi page, open 
tab Builds and check what is in there. In this case, you will see these:

     gnome-shell-41.1-1.fc35
     mutter-41.1-1.fc35

Then check your local versions:

     $ dnf -C info --installed gnome-shell mutter

If you see "Version: 41.1" and "Release: 1.fc35" for both of these,
then 
you have the update already. That would explain why dnf says nothing to do.

Otto

[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 18:03 +0200, Otto Urpelainen wrote:
>  Michael J. Baars kirjoitti 9.11.2021 klo 17.56:
>  > On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>  > > On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > > > Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6'
> either. It keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
>  > > 
>  > > sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6
>  > > --enablerepo=updates-testing
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > Does that work on you machine??? Still nothing on mine.
>  
>  Please check the package versions you have installed against the 
>  versions in the update. Instructions:
>  
>  First, check what the update installs. In the linked Bodhi page, open 
>  tab Builds and check what is in there. In this case, you will see these:
>  
>       gnome-shell-41.1-1.fc35
>       mutter-41.1-1.fc35
>  
>  Then check your local versions:
>  
>       $ dnf -C info --installed gnome-shell mutter
>  
>  If you see "Version: 41.1" and "Release: 1.fc35" for both of these,
> then 
>  you have the update already. That would explain why dnf says nothing to do. 
Exactly! Then it has nothing to do. Yet, I still observe the dancing mouse pointer and
cursor. It's quite annoying indeed... I can't possibly do any programming
like this either :)

>  
>  Otto
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[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 16:56 +0100, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>  > On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > > Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6'
> either. It keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
>  > 
>  > sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 
>  > --enablerepo=updates-testing
>  > 
>  
>  Does that work on you machine??? Still nothing on mine. 
To pick up from the update thread, it seems you found you already have
these updates installed. To check one more thing, though, have you
logged out since installing them? The bug will persist until you do.

If you have them installed and you've logged out or rebooted since
installing them, then there's clearly still an issue, but we'll likely
need more information to fix it. It would help if you can identify a
precise sequence of steps - starting from a clean desktop - that
reliably reproduces the problem for you. Thanks!
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA
IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha
https://www.happyassassin.net

[Michael J. Baars]

Hi Adam,

I didn't install any update, apparently the update is already included with
the release version of Fedora 35, because it won't install from the command
line and the versions from the build match the versions from the release.
This is a fresh installation of Fedora 35 Workstation, done the day before
yesterday.

So, with the updates INCLUDED instead of installed, the mouse pointer and
the cursor (still) act strange when running gedit. When I try to move the
mouse into position and click to move the cursor into position, for example
to cut and past text, both OFTEN (say 50% of these attempts) end up on a
completely different line number, sometimes even selecting some text in the
process.

The updates as provided by the build and as included in the release version
of Fedora 35, do therefore not function as intended.

Precise sequence of steps:
1) turn on computer
2) open text files from file manager
3) start editing

Nothing more, nothing less, nothing out of the ordinary either. The problem
had never reveiled itself on another one of my computers, which is still
running Fedora 32 Workstation. It's definitely new, impossible to overlook,
and impossible to ignore when your used to working with gedit as your
default editor as I am.

Best regards,
Mischa Baars.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, 17:50 Adam Williamson, <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 16:56 +0100, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>  > > On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > > > Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6'
>  either. It keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
>  > >
>  > > sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6
>  > > --enablerepo=updates-testing
>  > >
>  >
>  > Does that work on you machine??? Still nothing on mine.
>
>  To pick up from the update thread, it seems you found you already have
>  these updates installed. To check one more thing, though, have you
>  logged out since installing them? The bug will persist until you do.
>
>  If you have them installed and you've logged out or rebooted since
>  installing them, then there's clearly still an issue, but we'll likely
>  need more information to fix it. It would help if you can identify a
>  precise sequence of steps - starting from a clean desktop - that
>  reliably reproduces the problem for you. Thanks!
>  --
>  Adam Williamson
>  Fedora QA
>  IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha
>  https://www.happyassassin.net
>
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[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 18:59 +0100, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  Hi Adam,
>  
>  I didn't install any update, apparently the update is already included with
>  the release version of Fedora 35, because it won't install from the command
>  line and the versions from the build match the versions from the release.
>  This is a fresh installation of Fedora 35 Workstation, done the day before
>  yesterday.
>  
>  So, with the updates INCLUDED instead of installed, the mouse pointer and
>  the cursor (still) act strange when running gedit. When I try to move the
>  mouse into position and click to move the cursor into position, for example
>  to cut and past text, both OFTEN (say 50% of these attempts) end up on a
>  completely different line number, sometimes even selecting some text in the
>  process.
>  
>  The updates as provided by the build and as included in the release version
>  of Fedora 35, do therefore not function as intended.
>  
>  Precise sequence of steps:
>  1) turn on computer
>  2) open text files from file manager
>  3) start editing
>  
>  Nothing more, nothing less, nothing out of the ordinary either. The problem
>  had never reveiled itself on another one of my computers, which is still
>  running Fedora 32 Workstation. It's definitely new, impossible to overlook,
>  and impossible to ignore when your used to working with gedit as your
>  default editor as I am. 
Thanks. So:

1. That update was not included in the release. The update was created
on 2021-11-04, which is *after* the release happened (on 2021-11-02),
let alone when the release was signed off (2021-10-28) or actually
built (I think that was 2021-10-25). The release has gnome-shell-41.0-
4.fc35 and mutter-41.0-4.fc35 . You can see this for yourself at 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
and
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
. This is just a note, as long as you have the updated versions and
have rebooted since installing them, it doesn't really matter where you
got them.

2. The problem you are having is not the problem the update was
intended to fix. I know this because I was the person who noticed the
problem and backported the fix. That problem did not occur simply by
opening a file and editing it, it always involved switching focus
between the text editor and other windows. There are more details on
the bug the update actually fixes at
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/4647 . The update
definitely did fix that problem, because I had it before and I don't
have it now.

3. The problem you're hitting now is not likely a general one, or else
a lot more people would likely be complaining about it, given how
"impossible to overlook" (your words) it is. It's not happening to me,
for instance. gedit behaves just fine for me. Unless anyone else can
reproduce it by just running gedit, we still need to figure out what
exactly in your configuration is triggering the problem. Maybe you
could record a video of it? That might show something that helps.

Thanks!
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA
IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha
https://www.happyassassin.net

[Stephen Snow]

I cannot get Gedit to do this when I use it as a text editor, even for
extended periods with intermittent thrashing, like loads of edits
without a save, etc...

It does sound almost hardware specific, maybe failing keyboard.?

Stephen

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 12:49 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 18:59 +0100, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > Hi Adam,
>  > 
>  > I didn't install any update, apparently the update is already
>  > included with
>  > the release version of Fedora 35, because it won't install from the
>  > command
>  > line and the versions from the build match the versions from the
>  > release.
>  > This is a fresh installation of Fedora 35 Workstation, done the day
>  > before
>  > yesterday.
>  > 
>  > So, with the updates INCLUDED instead of installed, the mouse
>  > pointer and
>  > the cursor (still) act strange when running gedit. When I try to
>  > move the
>  > mouse into position and click to move the cursor into position, for
>  > example
>  > to cut and past text, both OFTEN (say 50% of these attempts) end up
>  > on a
>  > completely different line number, sometimes even selecting some
>  > text in the
>  > process.
>  > 
>  > The updates as provided by the build and as included in the release
>  > version
>  > of Fedora 35, do therefore not function as intended.
>  > 
>  > Precise sequence of steps:
>  > 1) turn on computer
>  > 2) open text files from file manager
>  > 3) start editing
>  > 
>  > Nothing more, nothing less, nothing out of the ordinary either. The
>  > problem
>  > had never reveiled itself on another one of my computers, which is
>  > still
>  > running Fedora 32 Workstation. It's definitely new, impossible to
>  > overlook,
>  > and impossible to ignore when your used to working with gedit as
>  > your
>  > default editor as I am.
>  
>  Thanks. So:
>  
>  1. That update was not included in the release. The update was
>  created
>  on 2021-11-04, which is *after* the release happened (on 2021-11-02),
>  let alone when the release was signed off (2021-10-28) or actually
>  built (I think that was 2021-10-25). The release has gnome-shell-
>  41.0-
>  4.fc35 and mutter-41.0-4.fc35 . You can see this for yourself at 
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
>  and
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
>  . This is just a note, as long as you have the updated versions and
>  have rebooted since installing them, it doesn't really matter where
>  you
>  got them.
>  
>  2. The problem you are having is not the problem the update was
>  intended to fix. I know this because I was the person who noticed the
>  problem and backported the fix. That problem did not occur simply by
>  opening a file and editing it, it always involved switching focus
>  between the text editor and other windows. There are more details on
>  the bug the update actually fixes at
>  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/4647 . The update
>  definitely did fix that problem, because I had it before and I don't
>  have it now.
>  
>  3. The problem you're hitting now is not likely a general one, or
>  else
>  a lot more people would likely be complaining about it, given how
>  "impossible to overlook" (your words) it is. It's not happening to
>  me,
>  for instance. gedit behaves just fine for me. Unless anyone else can
>  reproduce it by just running gedit, we still need to figure out what
>  exactly in your configuration is triggering the problem. Maybe you
>  could record a video of it? That might show something that helps.
>  
>  Thanks!
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[Michael J. Baars]

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 12:49 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 18:59 +0100, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > Hi Adam,
>  > 
>  > I didn't install any update, apparently the update is already included with
>  > the release version of Fedora 35, because it won't install from the command
>  > line and the versions from the build match the versions from the release.
>  > This is a fresh installation of Fedora 35 Workstation, done the day before
>  > yesterday.
>  > 
>  > So, with the updates INCLUDED instead of installed, the mouse pointer and
>  > the cursor (still) act strange when running gedit. When I try to move the
>  > mouse into position and click to move the cursor into position, for example
>  > to cut and past text, both OFTEN (say 50% of these attempts) end up on a
>  > completely different line number, sometimes even selecting some text in the
>  > process.
>  > 
>  > The updates as provided by the build and as included in the release version
>  > of Fedora 35, do therefore not function as intended.
>  > 
>  > Precise sequence of steps:
>  > 1) turn on computer
>  > 2) open text files from file manager
>  > 3) start editing
>  > 
>  > Nothing more, nothing less, nothing out of the ordinary either. The problem
>  > had never reveiled itself on another one of my computers, which is still
>  > running Fedora 32 Workstation. It's definitely new, impossible to overlook,
>  > and impossible to ignore when your used to working with gedit as your
>  > default editor as I am.
>  
>  Thanks. So:
>  
>  1. That update was not included in the release. The update was created
>  on 2021-11-04, which is *after* the release happened (on 2021-11-02),
>  let alone when the release was signed off (2021-10-28) or actually
>  built (I think that was 2021-10-25). The release has gnome-shell-41.0-
>  4.fc35 and mutter-41.0-4.fc35 . You can see this for yourself at 
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
>  and
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Everything/x86_...
>  . This is just a note, as long as you have the updated versions and
>  have rebooted since installing them, it doesn't really matter where you
>  got them.
>  
>  2. The problem you are having is not the problem the update was
>  intended to fix. I know this because I was the person who noticed the
>  problem and backported the fix. That problem did not occur simply by
>  opening a file and editing it, it always involved switching focus
>  between the text editor and other windows. There are more details on
>  the bug the update actually fixes at
>  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/4647 . The update
>  definitely did fix that problem, because I had it before and I don't
>  have it now.
>  
>  3. The problem you're hitting now is not likely a general one, or else
>  a lot more people would likely be complaining about it, given how
>  "impossible to overlook" (your words) it is. It's not happening to me,
>  for instance. gedit behaves just fine for me. Unless anyone else can
>  reproduce it by just running gedit, we still need to figure out what
>  exactly in your configuration is triggering the problem. Maybe you
>  could record a video of it? That might show something that helps.
>  
>  Thanks! 
Hi Adam,

1) Ok, glad you noticed. The updates possibly differ in version, while the version numbers
of mutter and gnome-shell remain the same.
3) Mikel Olasagasti immediately let me know that he experienced the same problem on Fedora
34, uncommon as the problem might seem.

2) I think it is the same problem, although I didn't have the chance yesterday to test
the scroll-wheel. It's even getting stranger, because today the problem
refuses to manifest itself. I don't really like the idea of people taking over my
back-end, but this is probably one of those cases where someone wants you to
know that he's in control of the back-end. That makes working with computers very hard
and often very unpleasant. On the one hand, some engineer is doing his
very best to come up with error correcting codes for memory modules, and than on the other
hand, some hacker is doing his very best to bend pointers to his will
unasked for.

Regards,
Mischa.

[Michael J. Baars]

Hi,

This update can't be installed because the update is already in the Fedora 35 release
version, according to 
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6.

I still have the dancing mouse pointer and cursor though :(

I'll place a notice of this on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2017192
first thing tomorrow.

Best regards,
Mischa.

On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 15:31 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>  On 09/11/2021 14:18, Michael J. Baars wrote:
>  > Nothing with 'sudo dnf upgrade --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6' either. It
> keeps saying: "Nothing to do"???
>  
>  sudo dnf upgrade --refresh --advisory=FEDORA-2021-4ce970eca6 
>  --enablerepo=updates-testing
>  
>  -- 
>  Sincerely,
>     Vitaly Zaitsev (vitaly(a)easycoding.org)
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[Marius Schwarz]

Am 09.11.21 um 10:13 schrieb Michael J. Baars:
>  Hi All,
>
>  I've been working with Fedora for years now, and I just installed the newest Fedora
> Workstation 35 on one of my computers.
>
>  Since I use gedit a lot for editing source codes, gedit was one of the first programs I
> tried to launch. Now, there I get into trouble. After opening a few
>  source files and trying to start off where I left, I noticed that the mouse pointer (and
> the line number) often does not end up where I clicked the mouse when
>  trying to position the cursor (for cutting and pasting for example). This is the very
> first time that I experience this problem.
>  
I just checked this with Fedora 35 Live Image and I can't reproduce this 
even with big 500k+ textfiles.

Could you pls start your pc via the actual Liveimage and try to 
reproduce this on our hw?

Best regards,
Marius Schwarz