Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-01-15)

[Tom Stellard]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 19:30UTC in #meeting:fedoraproject.org
on Matrix.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
   date -d '2024-01-15 19:30 UTC'

Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= This meeting is moving from IRC to #meeting:fedoraproject.org
on Matrix. =

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =

Title of issue
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/###
DECISION (+X, Y, -Z)

#3123 Change: Unified Kernel Support Phase Two
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3123
APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)

#3124 Permanent Update Policy Exception for certbot
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3124
APPROVED (+7, 0, 0)

#3131 Change: Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection by default
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3131
APPROVED (+8, 0, 0)

#3132 Change: Golang 1.22
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3132
APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)

#3133 Change: Haskell GHC 9.6 and Stackage LTS 22
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3133
APPROVED (+8, 0, 0)

#3134 Change: Rename/Change Firefox desktop file
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3134
APPROVED (+7, 0, 0)

#3135 Change: Unify /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3135
APPROVED (+6, 1, 0)

#3136 Change: Assign individual, stable MAC addresses for Wi-Fi connections
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3136
APPROVED (+6, 1, 0)

#3138 Change: Update Kubernetes to v1.29 in Rawhide
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3138
APPROVED (+5, 0, 0)

#3139 Change: LLVM 18
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3139
APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)

#3140 Change: Remove Python Mock Usage
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3140
APPROVED (+8, 0, 0)

#3141 Change: SPDX License Phase 3
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3141
APPROVED (+7, 0, 0)

#3142 Change: Move /var/run selinux-policy entries to /run
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3142
After a week: APPROVED (+8, 0, 0)


= New business =

#3137 Change: Build Fedora Cloud Edition Images Using Kiwi in Koji
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3137

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2024-01-15)

[Tom Stellard]

=====================================
# #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco
=====================================

Meeting started by @tstellar:fedora.im at 2024-01-15 19:30:47



Meeting summary
---------------
* TOPIC: #3137 Change: Build Fedora Cloud Edition Images Using Kiwi in Koji
(@tstellar:fedora.im, 19:37:57)
     * AGREED: APPROVED (+7, 1, -0) (@tstellar:fedora.im, 19:51:49)
* TOPIC: Next week's chair (@tstellar:fedora.im, 19:52:34)
     * ACTION: Josh Stone will chair next meeting (@tstellar:fedora.im, 19:53:32)
* TOPIC: Open Floor (@tstellar:fedora.im, 19:54:13)

Meeting ended at 2024-01-15 20:22:01

Action items
------------
* Josh Stone will chair next meeting

People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* @conan_kudo:matrix.org (55)
* @sgallagh:fedora.im (39)
* @tstellar:fedora.im (26)
* @humaton:fedora.im (20)
* @nhanlon:beeper.com (11)
* @jistone:fedora.im (10)
* @zodbot:fedora.im (8)
* @dcantrell:fedora.im (6)
* @davide:cavalca.name (4)
* @nirik:matrix.scrye.com (4)
* @meetbot:fedora.im (2)


Full Meeting Log:
https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org//meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2...

[Florian Weimer]

We still don't have approval for the toolchain updates that we need for
the mass rebuild (notably Changes/GNUToolchainF40).

How do we resolve this?  Do we delay the mass rebuild until we have
FESCo approval?  We can delay the GNU TLS descriptor change for x86-64
to Fedora 41, but doing that for the glibc 2.39 and GCC 14 updates would
be awkward (and substantial extra work for glibc).

Thanks,
Florian

[Neal Gompa]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 5:43 AM Florian Weimer <fweimer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  We still don't have approval for the toolchain updates that we need for
>  the mass rebuild (notably Changes/GNUToolchainF40).
>
>  How do we resolve this?  Do we delay the mass rebuild until we have
>  FESCo approval?  We can delay the GNU TLS descriptor change for x86-64
>  to Fedora 41, but doing that for the glibc 2.39 and GCC 14 updates would
>  be awkward (and substantial extra work for glibc).
>  
Aoife, can you please file a ticket for the Change on the fesco
tracker and I'll sponsor it for fast-track. We need to get this sorted
out because the work has already started.

Florian, in the future, please file these Changes as early as you know
what you're going to be doing, because that maximizes the lead time.
This is happening because the time window wound up overlapping because
of when it was processed and published for discussion. Ordinarily, I
think the ticket would be filed with FESCo today or tomorrow, but
obviously it needs to be done now so we can get things in order.




--
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Tom Hughes]

On 16/01/2024 10:43, Florian Weimer wrote:

>  We still don't have approval for the toolchain updates that we
> need for
>  the mass rebuild (notably Changes/GNUToolchainF40). 
As far as I can see there isn't even a Fesco ticket for it?

The fields in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/100414 for ticket
numbers are just placeholders and there's nothing in the fesco issue
tracker that I can see.

Tom

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