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==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ====================================================================================================
Meeting started by Sparks at 14:00:55 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-06-16/fedora_docs.2014-... .
Meeting summary - --------------- * Roll Call (Sparks, 14:01:00) * Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" (Sparks, 14:02:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Standing_Agenda (randomuser, 14:05:45)
* New Writers (randomuser, 14:06:18)
* Release Notes (randomuser, 14:10:17) * we should be working on Release Notes (randomuser, 14:10:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule (jjmcd, 14:16:31) * remember to work on RNs as you have time, and encourage others to do so (randomuser, 14:18:50) * ACTION: randomuser to update RNs schedule on wiki (randomuser, 14:19:10)
* Publican and Publishing (randomuser, 14:29:13)
* Fedora.next Product Updates (Sparks, 14:43:12)
* Guide Status (Sparks, 14:46:51)
* Open floor discussion (5 minutes) (Sparks, 14:55:10)
Meeting ended at 14:59:22 UTC.
Action Items - ------------ * randomuser to update RNs schedule on wiki
Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * randomuser * randomuser to update RNs schedule on wiki * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)
People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * Sparks (72) * randomuser (61) * zoglesby (26) * jjmcd (17) * jsmith (12) * rkratky (10) * zodbot (6) * jreznik (6) * Capesteve (2) * roshi (1) * pbokoc (1)
14:00:55 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 16 14:00:55 2014 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:55 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:57 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:01:00 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call 14:01:04 * Sparks 14:01:15 * jjmcd 14:01:27 * rkratky is here 14:01:48 * pbokoc 14:01:55 <Sparks> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" 14:02:00 <Sparks> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" 14:02:10 <Sparks> *sigh* Copy/paste is hard 14:02:16 <jsmith> .hellomynameis jsmith 14:02:16 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' jsmith.fedora@gmail.com 14:02:49 * zoglesby is here 14:03:05 <Sparks> #chair zoglesby jsmith 14:03:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jsmith zoglesby 14:03:28 * Sparks wonders where randomuser is this morning 14:03:54 * roshi is here as well 14:04:06 <zoglesby> Sparks: I think he thinks the meeting starts at 15 after 14:04:17 <zoglesby> he has been late for the last few 14:04:25 * randomuser arrives 14:04:37 <zoglesby> see what I mean 14:04:40 <randomuser> it's right around the time I get into my office 14:04:45 <zoglesby> slacker! 14:04:54 <randomuser> it would work if I left earlier... but, morning 14:05:17 <Sparks> #chair randomuser 14:05:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jsmith randomuser zoglesby 14:05:45 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Standing_Agenda 14:05:46 * Sparks passes the reigns to randomuser 14:06:08 <randomuser> I see my subversive plan to get Sparks to run the meetings isn't working 14:06:18 <randomuser> #topic New Writers 14:06:21 <jsmith> :-) 14:06:27 <zoglesby> randomuser: not again 14:06:41 <randomuser> We like to start out each meeting with a few minutes dedicated to people that are new to Docs 14:07:16 <randomuser> So you can speak up, let us know how things are going, voice any concerns, or just say hello 14:07:34 <Sparks> Hi, I'm a new writer and I'd like to just say hi. 14:08:12 * jsmith is old 14:08:30 <Sparks> jsmith: He didn't ask for young writers, just new ones. 14:08:40 <jjmcd> :) 14:09:00 <randomuser> Of course, such people are welcome to participate in any part of the meeting 14:09:03 <zoglesby> jsmith: now the jjmcd is here he wins 14:09:33 <Sparks> zoglesby: Wow 14:10:09 * randomuser steers the meeting back on the rails 14:10:17 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes 14:10:27 <randomuser> #info we should be working on Release Notes 14:10:42 <Sparks> randomuser: Where is the schedule for the RNs? 14:11:20 <randomuser> umm... doesn't jreznik do that for us? 14:11:29 <zoglesby> Sparks: Is there a schedule for F21? 14:11:43 <Sparks> zoglesby: There *should* be. 14:11:46 <zoglesby> randomuser: yes 14:12:11 <zoglesby> Sparks: I did not think a schedule had been published yet 14:12:13 <jjmcd> randomuser, we generally do an internal schedule. jreznik's isn't quite detailed enough, uses terms more relevant to external 14:12:38 <randomuser> ah, ok 14:12:52 <randomuser> i'll have to look into that, then 14:13:20 <randomuser> assistance would be welcome 14:13:42 <Sparks> zoglesby: I'm just wondering when the bits have to be in front of the translators. 14:14:03 <randomuser> IMO we should aim for Beta 14:14:04 * Sparks isn't really sure where he is in the release schedule. 14:14:11 <zoglesby> The schedule on the wiki still has "no earlier than" 14:14:35 <zoglesby> and I have not seen a taskjugler schedule with dates for anything 14:15:27 <zoglesby> We have no firm dates for anything after mass rebuild 14:15:51 <Sparks> Set fire to everything and then wait? 14:16:01 <randomuser> the last couple of releases the RNs schedule has seemed like "cram as much time into it as you can and publish when someone complains about it blocking the release" 14:16:12 <randomuser> something more cohesive would be a refreshing change 14:16:23 <Sparks> randomuser: Yeah, we should probably be a little bit better about that this time. 14:16:31 <jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule 14:16:42 <jjmcd> kinda stale 14:17:03 <randomuser> neat 14:17:11 <randomuser> is that made with some kind of tool? 14:17:33 <jjmcd> The main part is just grunted out on the wiki. I wrote a little program to make the calendars 14:18:50 <randomuser> #info remember to work on RNs as you have time, and encourage others to do so 14:19:10 <randomuser> #action randomuser to update RNs schedule on wiki 14:19:33 <randomuser> thanks for bringing that one up, Sparks 14:19:46 <randomuser> anything else on the topic? 14:20:27 * jreznik is reading... 14:22:08 * jreznik prefers having schedules on one place - it's easier to manage changes 14:22:17 <randomuser> I agree, really 14:22:50 <randomuser> jreznik, I'll try and keep an eye of for when you start publishing taskjuggler schedules - should have a template worked out by then 14:22:51 <jreznik> zoglesby: I think we're almost set - there was that discussion for server product but I expect this week/next week we can have clear schedule ready 14:23:19 <zoglesby> jreznik: perfect! 14:24:21 <jreznik> btw. tj is already published http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/ but not linked on the wiki, I can update it (kinda happy it's not as visible for now) 14:24:42 <randomuser> yeah, good idea thre 14:25:46 <jreznik> btw once we're on this topic - how confident are you with .next release notes to be done according to the current no earlier schedule? 14:26:23 <randomuser> 80% 14:27:04 <randomuser> 100% confident we'll be able to publish something on schedule, 80% confident that what we publish will be adequately comprehensive 14:27:12 <zoglesby> randomuser: I think we are doing good, we are ahead of the schedule as of now 14:27:19 <jreznik> good 14:27:24 <zoglesby> randomuser: ah, yeah I agree with that 14:28:17 <randomuser> The idea of devel & qa helping out is starting to catch on, though 14:29:04 <randomuser> let's talk about publishing 14:29:13 <randomuser> #topic Publican and Publishing 14:30:01 <randomuser> There was a CVE fix applied to libxml2 because it would accept external includes even when it wasn't supposed to 14:30:18 <randomuser> and for one reason or another, that broke publican 14:30:51 <Sparks> randomuser: I always enjoy a good program that uses a vulnerability to support functionality. 14:31:08 <randomuser> It works with the newer version of libxml2 in F20, but not the current in el6, so I've filed a ticket to ask releng to let us tag libxml2 into el6-docs 14:31:48 <randomuser> Sparks, http://xkcd.com/1172/ 14:32:27 <Capesteve> Hello, lnovice sends apologies, she cannot connect to freenode at the moment 14:32:50 <randomuser> I'm honestly not sure if the CVE has been addressed in the version I tested, but if we can't trust the people we've given commit and publishing access to, we have bigger problems 14:33:32 <randomuser> Capesteve, welcome, and thanks for relaying 14:33:58 <randomuser> rkratky, any news on improving the site presentation? 14:34:31 <Sparks> randomuser: +1 14:34:48 <rkratky> randomuser, i haven't had that much time this past week, but i've been doing at least a little bit. 14:35:08 <randomuser> great, thank you 14:35:17 <Sparks> randomuser: trust the people we've given commit access to??? Because we vet them so well? I mean, come on, I've got commit access. 14:35:24 <randomuser> heh 14:35:33 <Sparks> randomuser: And jsmith 14:35:35 <rkratky> however, when i was mucking around with the old code, i got so frustrated that i don't really understand those bits of JS that seem to crop up everywhere that i just scratched it. 14:35:43 <randomuser> Sparks, why aren't any of your commits signed? 14:36:08 <rkratky> so, i made a fresh start start this weekend: rkratky.fedorapeople.org/docsweb/ 14:36:13 <randomuser> rkratky, yeah, it's confusing for me too 14:36:13 <zoglesby> randomuser: because I can't sign them when I push as him 14:36:17 <Sparks> randomuser: You don't want to know. 14:36:21 * jsmith has nothing new to add... 14:36:49 <rkratky> it's just a start, but i think we could go from there (yruseva promised to pretty it up) 14:36:51 <randomuser> rkratky, that's a good looking mockup 14:37:06 <Sparks> jsmith: I love how your comments are totally valid when just waking up mid-meeting. "Wha?!? Umm... yeah, sounds good to me." 14:37:40 <rkratky> and, i was thinking... do we really need all that old JS logic? it seem overly complicated, untidy, and most of all unmaintainable. 14:37:43 <Sparks> zoglesby: Did I not provide you a copy of my keys? I'll get them to you. 14:37:57 <jsmith> Sparks: and I love how you drop my name into a conversation, just to see if I'm paying attention. (Now get off my lawn!) 14:37:58 <Sparks> rkratky: Are you speaking of Publican? 14:38:06 <randomuser> rkratky, we'd have to investigate where it needs to be ripped out of 14:38:11 <Sparks> jsmith: Go back to sleep. 14:38:14 <rkratky> instead, we could just fire up wordpress or drupal and use s/t that updates itself 14:38:20 <jsmith> Sparks: I've been up since 3:30am 14:38:30 <randomuser> the brand, the homepage, the upstream publican web_style.... 14:38:30 <Sparks> jsmith: Exactly 14:38:35 <zoglesby> rkratky: the issue is that publican generates all of that code 14:38:40 <Capesteve> sorry, s/lnovice/novich/ {not a Freudian slip} 14:38:42 <randomuser> jsmith, why would you do that to yourself! 14:38:47 <rkratky> Sparks, no, publican is fine, just web end of things 14:39:09 <randomuser> rkratky, publican creates the web end of things. We've done exactly zero html coding. 14:39:23 <rkratky> zoglesby, publican generates the JS? 14:39:38 <Sparks> rkratky: Yes. And it used to be much more horrid. 14:39:47 <zoglesby> rkratky: yep 14:39:50 <Sparks> rkratky: Like, poke your eyes out horrid. 14:40:01 <zoglesby> rkratky: the new version may be more sane, but I would not count on it 14:40:05 <randomuser> rkratky, if you wanted to create a completely different frontend, I'd look at generating something from the sqlite db 14:40:13 <jjmcd> Isn't that the definition of JS? 14:40:18 <Sparks> jjmcd: +1 14:40:30 <Sparks> jjmcd: At least we've scripted it now. ;) 14:40:35 <jjmcd> ;) 14:40:43 <randomuser> the one bit of js there that I think is essential is the language redirect 14:40:50 <Sparks> "Here, go make this awful thing for me. I'll be back in a while." 14:40:50 <randomuser> or that functionality, at least 14:41:21 <randomuser> Sparks, tag, i have to take a phone call 14:41:27 <rkratky> well, to tell the truth, after two days of poking around the current setup, i wasn't able to get it to look like anything i wanted 14:41:37 <Sparks> randomuser: I wonder if we couldn't do something similar in Drupal. 14:42:11 <zoglesby> Sparks: Are we getting in to the time machine again, we did this in 2008ish 14:42:15 <Sparks> Okay, anything else for Publican and Publishing? 14:42:24 <randomuser> I'm sure it's possible. And I think the structure could be parsed out of the sqlite fairly cleanly 14:42:29 <Sparks> zoglesby: Don't make me comment on that. 14:42:42 <Sparks> randomuser: I've got the conn 14:43:09 <Sparks> Okay, moving on... 14:43:12 <Sparks> #topic Fedora.next Product Updates 14:43:25 <Sparks> zoglesby: What say you WRT .next Server? 14:43:28 <zoglesby> I have nothing new on products this week 14:43:37 <zoglesby> oh, docker 14:43:44 * zoglesby is done now 14:43:47 <randomuser> Sparks has the conn, aye 14:44:08 <Sparks> zoglesby: Did you... did you really just use the D word? 14:44:26 <Sparks> randomuser: .next Workstation? 14:44:49 <randomuser> I'll probably mail the list again and ask them for some requirements 14:44:53 <Sparks> Okay 14:45:03 <Sparks> jsmith: .next Cloudy things? 14:45:04 <randomuser> taking some inspiration from adamw 14:46:12 <Sparks> jsmith: ? 14:46:30 <jsmith> Nothing new from the Cloudy side of town 14:46:34 <Sparks> Okay 14:46:38 <jsmith> I'll bring it up in their weekly meeting again this week 14:46:46 <Sparks> Awesome 14:46:51 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status 14:47:09 <Sparks> Anyone have anything WRT a guide, article, or book they are hacking on? 14:47:27 * jsmith hopes to find time to hack on the Documentation Guide a bit more this week 14:48:53 <Sparks> jsmith: Yeah, we really need to put more into that guide and get it out soon. 14:49:20 <Sparks> jsmith: Feel free to poke me with ideas if you run out of cycles (like I have any to spare but...) 14:49:29 <Sparks> Anyone else? 14:49:33 <randomuser> ! 14:49:50 <Sparks> randomuser: Yes, you boy on the front row with your hand raised. 14:50:34 <randomuser> proposal: assemble a list of wiki pages we'd rather have in the documentation guide, commit it to the documentation guide repo, mark WIP/Complete, edit content out of wiki when done 14:50:58 <randomuser> also, haha 14:52:16 <randomuser> EOF 14:52:37 <Sparks> randomuser: Yes. Perhaps even just add them to a category (something like [[Category:Move to Documentation Guide]] to make it easier for people to find when they have some spare time to tinker. 14:52:47 <jjmcd> What is the status of that wiki -> docbook thingie? 14:52:55 <Sparks> jjmcd: Which one? 14:53:05 <Sparks> jjmcd: The one we were working on with ianweller? 14:53:07 <jjmcd> Ian's weird thing 14:53:08 <jjmcd> yeah 14:53:18 <zoglesby> long dead? 14:53:22 <jjmcd> Last I used it it was working again 14:53:28 <jjmcd> But that was a while back 14:53:30 <Sparks> jjmcd: Probably DOA. Perhaps we should try to kickstart it again. 14:53:50 <Sparks> jjmcd: Oh, I've never known it to actually work. 14:53:59 <Sparks> jjmcd: Perhaps I've been asleep at the wheel, again. 14:54:02 <jjmcd> I've used it quite a bit 14:54:08 <jjmcd> It can be quite a time saver 14:54:34 <Sparks> jjmcd: Can you send something to the list about it? 14:54:57 <jjmcd> mw_render 14:55:04 <Sparks> Okay, moving on as we are running short on time. 14:55:10 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion (5 minutes) 14:55:20 <Sparks> Anyone going to SouthEast LinuxFest? 14:55:34 <zoglesby> oh, oh, me me! 14:56:03 <Sparks> I'm hoping we'll see a few folks from the Fedora camp there. 14:56:19 * jsmith is *not* going :-( 14:56:35 <Sparks> jsmith: Boo 14:56:59 <jsmith> Sparks: I know -- but real life sometimes conflicts with things I'd like to do 14:57:23 <jjmcd> RL can be a real pain 14:57:24 <Sparks> jsmith: Bah, real life is so overratted 14:57:33 <Sparks> overrated even. 14:57:35 <jsmith> C'est la vie 14:58:14 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else? 14:59:10 <Sparks> If not I wish you all a good day! 14:59:22 <Sparks> #endmeeting
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