overview

[Marc Wiriadisastra]

The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
fedora.  Reference to the base version is
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
additions/manipulations.  Thoughts would be great.

////////////////////Overview///////////////////////////////////////////
An operating system, a set of projects, and a mindset. 

What is Fedora? Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases
the latest in free and open source software. Sponsored by Red Hat who
aid in developing new and exciting <a
href="technologyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions"
Contributions>. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and
distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as
a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone
is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the
advancement of free, open software and content. 

The operating system is Fedora. The predictable bi-yearly releases and
the continuing support for over twelve months are able to show you the
users and supporters the latest advancements available in the open
software world. It's completely free, and we're committed to keeping it
that way. It's the best combination of robust and latest software that
exists in the free software world. 

The mindset is doing the right thing. To us, that means providing free,
innovative open software content, at no cost, freely usable, modifiable,
redistributable, and unencumbered by software patents. 

Our partnership and sponsorship by Red Hat has enabled us to provide
quality open software content to the community.  This open software is
providing benefits to millions of users around the globe with software
contributions such as SELinux, Xen Virtualization and Smolt to name a
few. The expansion of architectures have provided support for Sparc,
Alpha, IA64 and Arm with many more to follow.

The strong participation with the community of volunteers have helped to
create improvements in the way you install and maintain Fedora. Some
notable additions from the community have been Revisor, pungi and the
livecd-tools where you can create your personal spin of Fedora. 

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

There are a few bits there where I think I might have gone to far.
Please critique as to whether I should cut some out and put it in other
places.

I'm hoping the page(Fedora Feature Overview) that is being discussed on
the marketing list will get completed so that can be linked somewhere
within this document.

Cheers,

Marc

[Karsten Wade]

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 00:10 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
>  fedora.  Reference to the base version is
>  http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
>  additions/manipulations.  Thoughts would be great. 
BTW, another way to do this is to put a draft page up in your personal
wiki namespace (MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview).  Then you can put in
the original content, save it, then modify, save that, and capture the
difference between the two:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview?action=di...

A diff provides exactly what changed and the context of it.  

In this case I just did a full edit of the original page a few days ago,
so I can do a mental diff. :)  For that matter, I could do the reverse
here and provide you a diff of your original against my edits, but what
the heck, I'll try to do them inline. :)

> ////////////////////Overview///////////////////////////////////////////
>  An operating system, a set of projects, and a mindset. 
>  
>  What is Fedora? Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases
>  the latest in free and open source software. Sponsored by Red Hat who
>  aid in developing new and exciting <a
>  href="technologyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions"
>  Contributions>. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and
[:RedHatContributions:technology contributions]
>  distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together
> as
>  a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone
>  is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the
>  advancement of free, open software and content. 
>  
>  The operating system is Fedora. The predictable bi-yearly releases and
>  the continuing support for over twelve months are able to show you the 
            
    community support ... months show the users and
supporters ...
>  users and supporters the latest advancements available in the open
>  software world. It's completely free, and we're committed to keeping it 
   
                                 [:Objectives:committed]
>  that way. It's the best combination of robust and latest software
> that
>  exists in the free software world. 
>  
>  The mindset is doing the right thing. To us, that means providing free,
>  innovative open software content, at no cost, freely usable, modifiable,
>  redistributable, and unencumbered by software patents. 
>  
>  Our partnership and sponsorship by Red Hat has enabled us to provide 
              
                      ... Hat enables us to provide ...
>  quality open software content to the community.  This open software
> is
>  providing benefits to millions of users around the globe with software
>  contributions such as SELinux, Xen Virtualization and Smolt to name a 
             
                                     , and ...
>  few. The expansion of architectures have provided support for Sparc,
>  Alpha, IA64 and Arm with many more to follow. 
             , and ...
>  The strong participation with the community of volunteers have helped
> to 
                                                            has
>  create improvements in the way you install and maintain Fedora. Some
>  notable additions from the community have been Revisor, pungi and the 
             
                                                 , and
>  livecd-tools where you can create your personal spin of Fedora. 
>  
>  //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>  
>  There are a few bits there where I think I might have gone to far.
>  Please critique as to whether I should cut some out and put it in other
>  places. 
Is this the entirety of the page as you envision it?  Or is this just
the section that appears above the table of contents?

Presuming this is just replacing those first four and leaving the rest
intact.  One thing is to pull out later references to what is mentioned
here (SELinux, Xen); I'm working on a new section for the Board that is
better than the one that mentions those technologies.

I wonder how it would read to put the community paragraph above the Red
Hat paragraph.  Another thing to keep in mind is that Red Hat is just
another community member, albeit the one with the most investment and
most to lose.  So it makes sense to highlight RHT's contributions as a
community member in a secondary position.  We also want to take care
here because there are other corporate community members who contribute
to Fedora, so we don't want to turn this into a Red Hat advertisement.
I know Red Hat has lent us credibility in the past, but things are
balancing where the credibility is going both ways.

>  I'm hoping the page(Fedora Feature Overview) that is being
> discussed on
>  the marketing list will get completed so that can be linked somewhere
>  within this document. 
Yes, that is a good idea.  Better to link than to list them yet
again ...

- Karsten

-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41

[Marc Wiriadisastra]

On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 13:43 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
>  On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 00:10 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  > The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
>  > fedora.  Reference to the base version is
>  > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
>  > additions/manipulations.  Thoughts would be great.
>  
>  BTW, another way to do this is to put a draft page up in your personal
>  wiki namespace (MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview).  Then you can put in
>  the original content, save it, then modify, save that, and capture the
>  difference between the two:
>  
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview?action=di...
>   
How would I transfer the original bits apart from an edit and copying
and pasting.

>  A diff provides exactly what changed and the context of it.  
>  
>  In this case I just did a full edit of the original page a few days ago,
>  so I can do a mental diff. :)  For that matter, I could do the reverse
>  here and provide you a diff of your original against my edits, but what
>  the heck, I'll try to do them inline. :)
>   
I'll try to generate diffs in the future but I didn't know it existed.
Thanks for the info.

>  >
> ////////////////////Overview///////////////////////////////////////////
>  > An operating system, a set of projects, and a mindset. 
>  > 
>  > What is Fedora? Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases
>  > the latest in free and open source software. Sponsored by Red Hat who
>  > aid in developing new and exciting <a
>  > href="technologyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions"
>  > Contributions>. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and
>  [:RedHatContributions:technology contributions]
>  > distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as
>  > a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone
>  > is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the
>  > advancement of free, open software and content. 
>  > 
>  > The operating system is Fedora. The predictable bi-yearly releases and
>  > the continuing support for over twelve months are able to show you the
>                   community support ... months show the users and
>  supporters ...
>  > users and supporters the latest advancements available in the open
>  > software world. It's completely free, and we're committed to keeping it
>                                       [:Objectives:committed]
>  > that way. It's the best combination of robust and latest software that
>  > exists in the free software world. 
>  > 
>  > The mindset is doing the right thing. To us, that means providing free,
>  > innovative open software content, at no cost, freely usable, modifiable,
>  > redistributable, and unencumbered by software patents. 
>  > 
>  > Our partnership and sponsorship by Red Hat has enabled us to provide
>                                       ... Hat enables us to provide ...
>  > quality open software content to the community.  This open software is
>  > providing benefits to millions of users around the globe with software
>  > contributions such as SELinux, Xen Virtualization and Smolt to name a
>                                                     , and ...
>  > few. The expansion of architectures have provided support for Sparc,
>  > Alpha, IA64 and Arm with many more to follow.
>               , and ...
>  > The strong participation with the community of volunteers have helped to
>                                                              has
>  > create improvements in the way you install and maintain Fedora. Some
>  > notable additions from the community have been Revisor, pungi and the
>                                                                 , and
>  > livecd-tools where you can create your personal spin of Fedora. 
>  > 
>  > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>  > 
>  > There are a few bits there where I think I might have gone to far.
>  > Please critique as to whether I should cut some out and put it in other
>  > places.
>  
>  Is this the entirety of the page as you envision it?  Or is this just
>  the section that appears above the table of contents?
>   
Only the first section since doing it in sections is easier than
rewriting the whole thing and trying to rearrange it then. Although my
documentation experience is minimal so I'll pass to people who have more
knowledge.

>  Presuming this is just replacing those first four and leaving the
> rest
>  intact.  One thing is to pull out later references to what is mentioned
>  here (SELinux, Xen); I'm working on a new section for the Board that is
>  better than the one that mentions those technologies.
>   
Definitely add that in.

>  I wonder how it would read to put the community paragraph above the
> Red
>  Hat paragraph.  Another thing to keep in mind is that Red Hat is just
>  another community member, albeit the one with the most investment and
>  most to lose.  So it makes sense to highlight RHT's contributions as a
>  community member in a secondary position.  We also want to take care
>  here because there are other corporate community members who contribute
>  to Fedora, so we don't want to turn this into a Red Hat advertisement.
>  I know Red Hat has lent us credibility in the past, but things are
>  balancing where the credibility is going both ways.
>   
Yep I'll add it to the page and see how it looks in it's entirety to get
an overview if it looks like an advertisement I'll remove some bits but
it's hard word the contributions without that.

>  > I'm hoping the page(Fedora Feature Overview) that is being
> discussed on
>  > the marketing list will get completed so that can be linked somewhere
>  > within this document.
>  
>  Yes, that is a good idea.  Better to link than to list them yet
>  again ...
>  
>  - Karsten 
Does anyone know if the list is progressing?

Cheers,

Marc

[Karsten Wade]

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 08:00 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 13:43 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 00:10 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  > > The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
>  > > fedora.  Reference to the base version is
>  > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
>  > > additions/manipulations.  Thoughts would be great.
>  > 
>  > BTW, another way to do this is to put a draft page up in your personal
>  > wiki namespace (MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview).  Then you can put in
>  > the original content, save it, then modify, save that, and capture the
>  > difference between the two:
>  > 
>  >
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview?action=di...
>  > 
>  How would I transfer the original bits apart from an edit and copying
>  and pasting. 
That's how, just edit > copy > paste.

>  > A diff provides exactly what changed and the context of it.  
>  > 
>  > In this case I just did a full edit of the original page a few days ago,
>  > so I can do a mental diff. :)  For that matter, I could do the reverse
>  > here and provide you a diff of your original against my edits, but what
>  > the heck, I'll try to do them inline. :)
>  > 
>  
>  I'll try to generate diffs in the future but I didn't know it existed.
>  Thanks for the info. 
Yeah, there really isn't a process that we've written down, just an idea
of how it might be done efficiently.  Hope it helps, that's all. :)


>  > Is this the entirety of the page as you envision it?  Or is this
> just
>  > the section that appears above the table of contents?
>  > 
>  
>  Only the first section since doing it in sections is easier than
>  rewriting the whole thing and trying to rearrange it then. Although my
>  documentation experience is minimal so I'll pass to people who have more
>  knowledge. 
This is also where a personal namespace draft can help.  You can work it
up entirely how you'd like it to appear.

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41

[Mike Dittmeier]

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 00:26 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:

>  On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 08:00 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  > On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 13:43 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
>  > > On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 00:10 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>  > > > The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
>  > > > fedora.  Reference to the base version is
>  > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
>  > > > additions/manipulations.  Thoughts would be great.
>  > > 
>  > > BTW, another way to do this is to put a draft page up in your personal
>  > > wiki namespace (MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview).  Then you can put in
>  > > the original content, save it, then modify, save that, and capture the
>  > > difference between the two:
>  > > 
>  > >
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview?action=di...
>  > > 
>  > How would I transfer the original bits apart from an edit and copying
>  > and pasting.
>  
>  That's how, just edit > copy > paste.
>  
>  > > A diff provides exactly what changed and the context of it.  
>  > > 
>  > > In this case I just did a full edit of the original page a few days ago,
>  > > so I can do a mental diff. :)  For that matter, I could do the reverse
>  > > here and provide you a diff of your original against my edits, but what
>  > > the heck, I'll try to do them inline. :)
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > I'll try to generate diffs in the future but I didn't know it existed.
>  > Thanks for the info.
>  
>  Yeah, there really isn't a process that we've written down, just an idea
>  of how it might be done efficiently.  Hope it helps, that's all. :)
>  
>  
>  > > Is this the entirety of the page as you envision it?  Or is this just
>  > > the section that appears above the table of contents?
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > Only the first section since doing it in sections is easier than
>  > rewriting the whole thing and trying to rearrange it then. Although my
>  > documentation experience is minimal so I'll pass to people who have more
>  > knowledge.
>  
>  This is also where a personal namespace draft can help.  You can work it
>  up entirely how you'd like it to appear.
>  
>  - Karsten
>  -- 
>  fedora-docs-list mailing list
>  fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com
>  To unsubscribe: 
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list 

I take it we send requests to this list to get edit permission for our
anmespace?

Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier
mike(a)vegasitpros.com

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[Karsten Wade]

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 11:44 -0400, Mike Dittmeier wrote:

>  I take it we send requests to this list to get edit permission for
> our
>  anmespace? 
Well, it's more about gaining permission for the whole wiki; I'll check
with you in IRC to get you setup correctly.

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41

[Marc Wiriadisastra]

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarcWiriadisastra/Drafts/Overview

I have drafted and edited parts of the original Overview.  It's 1.30am
my time so there might be some some incoherent parts but I was merely
posting here to see people's thoughts on the concepts of what I have
written rather than the editing.

Although I will not be disappointed at all if you can't hold yourself
back from editing.

Cheers,

Marc