Hi docs team
I am proofreading the translation of the above document. There are two small typo and suggestion I would like to make. Is there any proper place to file, or should I contact the author directly?
Typo: Under Hints section, "Q: I am trying to start *then xend service and nothing happens, then when I do a `xm list1 I get the following:" * it should read "I am trying to start xend service and then nothing happens,"
Suggestion: Under Automatically Loading Domains On Startup section, "Note that the /etc/init.d/xendomains script is broken with respect to its use of the LSB init functions." * this is hard to translate. Is it possible to rephrase something like "Note that the etc/init.d/xendomains script does not comply with the LSB standard."?
Thanks noriko
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Hi Tommy and Paul
Thank you for your help! This document is on the wiki, yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 It seems I do not have an account yet. I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
I am reading 'Sigining Up' of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters. 1. done... it was little long time ago, where did I store it??? 2. done 3. done 4. struggling... as super beginner of gpg stuff :(
If I can successfully go through all the process, where can I find the document to touch?
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
noriko Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
You should be able to access this in read-only mode by using the anonymous path::pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist login $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist co owners
(If you get an error on the "login" command, ignore it and go to the next step. It is almost 2:00AM here and I am a bit too tired to remember.)
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
Check the Fedora mailing lists; there is a "CVS commits" list (that is not the correct name, check the Fedora web site about mailing lists) where folk can sign up to receive an email notice of every CVS commit made by anyone to any document.
Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
Noriko-san, this expression may not have translated with the meaning which you originally intended. We have some very competent women working on this project. Inter-language and inter-cultural humor is risky at best. Still, I am sure you meant well. Please consider this to be friendly advise.
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening for you
Tommy Reynolds wrote:
I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
You should be able to access this in read-only mode by using the anonymous path::pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist login
I've been asked CVS password... what is the password?
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist co owners
(If you get an error on the "login" command, ignore it and go to the next step. It is almost 2:00AM here and I am a bit too tired to remember.)
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
Check the Fedora mailing lists; there is a "CVS commits" list (that is not the correct name, check the Fedora web site about mailing lists) where folk can sign up to receive an email notice of every CVS commit made by anyone to any document.
ok I I will try to find it out.
Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
Noriko-san, this expression may not have translated with the meaning which you originally intended. We have some very competent women working on this project. Inter-language and inter-cultural humor is risky at best. Still, I am sure you meant well. Please consider this to be friendly advise.
Tommy-san, thank you for your friendly advise. The reason why I used this expression was simple. I just wanted to be called as "she" rather than "he", and was meant to tell in a roundabout way. Sometime direct-language may hurt people unnecessary. I was afraid of this happened. I will be carefull next time.
noriko
On 6/1/06, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@redhat.com wrote:
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/dist login
I've been asked CVS password... what is the password?
Check http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/documentation-guide/sn-cvs-config.html for details.
Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
Noriko-san, this expression may not have translated with the meaning> > which you originally intended.
Tommy-san, thank you for your friendly advise.
Noriko-san, I am a prime example of many things. Not the least of which is that I didn't know your were female; I thought perhaps this was an expression which some USA folks might consider sexist and wanted to help you avoid that hassle. I guess I was "preaching to the choir"; forgive me if I sounded patronizing.
OK, check the above link and let us know how things proceed.
Hi Tommy-san and all
I've followed the instruction of Signing Up in fedora-docs, and then followed the instruction of Setting Up Your Accout (Fedora account). Everything done.
I did export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs cvs co owners
I looked in /owners/owners.list, but could not find the document name "FedoraXenQuickstartFC5" nor the author. Did I miss something?
thanks noriko
On 6/1/06, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@redhat.com wrote:
I did export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs cvs co owners
0) Good: since you were able to check out this module, everything is working except that you haven't tried your Fedora account access.
1) You have used the read-only CVS account 'anonymous'. While you can check out the CVS content, such as "owners" module, you will not be able to alter any file.
2) When your Fedora accounts membership is approved (and maybe it already has), then you can use the:
$ export CVSROOT=:ext:<YOURACCOUNTNAME>@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
value to get read/write access to the CVS.
I looked in /owners/owners.list, but could not find the document name "FedoraXenQuickstartFC5" nor the author. Did I miss something?
Nope; I did. (Told you I was too sleepy ;-)
I don't see this document in CVS at all. It is a wiki document:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5
Unfortuantely, I don't have the permissions to see if you have the ability to edit the wikl page. Try clicking on the "edit" button at the bottom of the page and sign in that way. Take a hint from the "last edited by" notice to see whom to ask before you make the changes.
HTH
Hi Tommy-san
Thank you so much kindly guiding me here. I've learnt so many things from you. A little more question, and then I have to let you sleep.
- When your Fedora accounts membership is approved (and maybe it already
has), then you can use the:
$ export CVSROOT=:ext:<YOURACCOUNTNAME>@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs
value to get read/write access to the CVS.
I got permission denied. When my Fedora accounts membership is approved, and how can I know?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5
Unfortuantely, I don't have the permissions to see if you have the ability to edit the wikl page. Try clicking on the "edit" button at the bottom of the page and sign in that way. Take a hint from the "last edited by" notice to see whom to ask before you make the changes.
All right! I can not see "edit" button anywhere, so it should indicate I don't have the ability. I see last edited on 2006-04-12, by StephenTweedie (no link indicating email). How can I reach him?
Stephen-san, Ping!
noriko
I've learnt so many things from you.
Don't worry, they will wash off ;-)
When my Fedora accounts membership is approved, and how can I know?
You should receive an email. You should already be subscribed to the Fedora Docs List, no?
All right! I can not see "edit" button anywhere, so it should indicate I don't have the ability. I see last edited on 2006-04-12, by StephenTweedie (no link indicating email). How can I reach him?
Accounts which can edit the wiki are listed here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup
I don't see contact information for him there, though. However, his info is well known. mailto:sct@redhat.com
Hope this helps.
Tommy Reynolds wrote:
I've learnt so many things from you.
Don't worry, they will wash off ;-)
When my Fedora accounts membership is approved, and how can I know?
You should receive an email. You should already be subscribed to the Fedora Docs List, no?
Or you could just log into Fedora Account system, and you should see your account in cla_done(user/approved) group. Since I see you in the group, I will add your account to edit group, so you can edit the wiki. Please read Guidelines section of the following page, and introduce yourself in the wiki.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing
Thanx.
All right! I can not see "edit" button anywhere, so it should indicate I don't have the ability. I see last edited on 2006-04-12, by StephenTweedie (no link indicating email). How can I reach him?
Accounts which can edit the wiki are listed here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup
I don't see contact information for him there, though. However, his info is well known. mailto:sct@redhat.com
Hope this helps.
Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:
Tommy Reynolds wrote:
I've learnt so many things from you.
Don't worry, they will wash off ;-)
When my Fedora accounts membership is approved, and how can I know?
You should receive an email. You should already be subscribed to the Fedora Docs List, no?
Yes, I got approval mail and subscribed to fedora-docs-list. Now I understand. It seems that I have no membership in the 'cvsdocs' group same as Ankit (subject: cvs not working!). I submitted my self-introduction sometime ago to this list. So I sent the request via my account by adding new membership. hopefully I will be approved soon :)
Or you could just log into Fedora Account system, and you should see your account in cla_done(user/approved) group. Since I see you in the group, I will add your account to edit group, so you can edit the wiki. Please read Guidelines section of the following page, and introduce yourself in the wiki.
OK! Thank you Totaka-san. I will read and follow the instruction.
Thanx.
All right! I can not see "edit" button anywhere, so it should indicate I don't have the ability. I see last edited on 2006-04-12, by StephenTweedie (no link indicating email). How can I reach him?
Accounts which can edit the wiki are listed here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup
I don't see contact information for him there, though. However, his info is well known. mailto:sct@redhat.com
Doh! I am writing him now. /me hits her head...
Thanks heaps guys!
Hope this helps.
Sorry one more time, I need to ask for help.
Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:
Tommy Reynolds wrote:
I've learnt so many things from you.
Don't worry, they will wash off ;-)
When my Fedora accounts membership is approved, and how can I know?
You should receive an email. You should already be subscribed to the Fedora Docs List, no?
Yes, I got approval mail and subscribed to fedora-docs-list. Now I understand. It seems that I have no membership in the 'cvsdocs' group same as Ankit (subject: cvs not working!). I submitted my self-introduction sometime ago to this list. So I sent the request via my account by adding new membership. hopefully I will be approved soon :)
I sent the request via my account by adding new membership as the above 10days ago. I tried the below today, failed.
[noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ export CVSROOT=:ext:noriko@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ cvs co owners For more information on using the Fedora source code repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$
I can see my account saying; GroupName / Username / RoleDomain / RoleType / RoleStatus / Sponsor cla_done / noriko / None / user / approved / Unneeded cvsdocs / noriko / / user / unapproved / Unneeded
How can I get read/write access to the CVS?
Thanks in advance. noriko
On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 11:18 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Sorry one more time, I need to ask for help. I sent the request via my account by adding new membership as the above 10days ago. I tried the below today, failed.
[noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ export CVSROOT=:ext:noriko@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ cvs co owners For more information on using the Fedora source code repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$
I can see my account saying; GroupName / Username / RoleDomain / RoleType / RoleStatus / Sponsor cla_done / noriko / None / user / approved / Unneeded cvsdocs / noriko / / user / unapproved / Unneeded
How can I get read/write access to the CVS?
Noriko, I think I saw a message from Karsten last night saying he had fixed this problem by approving your cvsdocs membership. Sorry for the delay, and please let us know if that didn't make things start working for you.
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 11:18 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Sorry one more time, I need to ask for help. I sent the request via my account by adding new membership as the above 10days ago. I tried the below today, failed.
[noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ export CVSROOT=:ext:noriko@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$ cvs co owners For more information on using the Fedora source code repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) [noriko@localhost fedora-docs]$
I can see my account saying; GroupName / Username / RoleDomain / RoleType / RoleStatus / Sponsor cla_done / noriko / None / user / approved / Unneeded cvsdocs / noriko / / user / unapproved / Unneeded
How can I get read/write access to the CVS?
Noriko, I think I saw a message from Karsten last night saying he had fixed this problem by approving your cvsdocs membership. Sorry for the delay, and please let us know if that didn't make things start working for you.
Paul and Karsten, I 've got the approval mail and successfully checked out this morning!! Thanks heaps!
noriko
Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Hi Tommy and Paul
Thank you for your help! This document is on the wiki, yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 It seems I do not have an account yet. I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
I am reading 'Sigining Up' of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters.
- done... it was little long time ago, where did I store it???
- done
- done
- struggling... as super beginner of gpg stuff :(
If I can successfully go through all the process, where can I find the document to touch?
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
Hi, I do not think most of wiki page have an original document. Some of wiki contents even develop from a mail sent to mailing lists. To track the change of the page, a translator should subscribe to the page, so they will be notified by a mail when there is any update. Diffs can be found from "Get Info".
Currently wiki translation is very messy state, but once CMS is introduced, the situation might improve.
Yoshihiro
Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:
Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Hi Tommy and Paul
Thank you for your help! This document is on the wiki, yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 It seems I do not have an account yet. I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
I am reading 'Sigining Up' of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters.
- done... it was little long time ago, where did I store it???
- done
- done
- struggling... as super beginner of gpg stuff :(
If I can successfully go through all the process, where can I find the document to touch?
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
Hi, I do not think most of wiki page have an original document. Some of wiki contents even develop from a mail sent to mailing lists. To track the change of the page, a translator should subscribe to the page, so they will be notified by a mail when there is any update. Diffs can be found from "Get Info".
I see. It sounds better to discuss this in Translation project. First I have to learn clear procedure about docs translation.
Currently wiki translation is very messy state, but once CMS is introduced, the situation might improve.
Good news!
Yoshihiro
Why this document is in the Wiki and not in fedora.redhat.com/docs?
Rodrigo Menezes
Noriko Mizumoto noriko@redhat.com escreveu: Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Hi Tommy and Paul
Thank you for your help! This document is on the wiki, yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 It seems I do not have an account yet. I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
I am reading 'Sigining Up' of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters. 1. done... it was little long time ago, where did I store it??? 2. done 3. done 4. struggling... as super beginner of gpg stuff :(
If I can successfully go through all the process, where can I find the document to touch?
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
noriko Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
Why this document is in the Wiki and not in fedora.redhat.com/docs?
Because original document was just a copy of this mail sent to fedora-devel and evolved to current form. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg01320.html
Since Xen technology changes quickly, I think wiki format suit the purpose well, but I don't think anyone complains if there is a proper document.
Yoshihiro
Rodrigo Menezes
Noriko Mizumoto noriko@redhat.com escreveu: Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tommy Reynolds wrote:
Noriko,
Yes, the proper edicate here is to contact the document's "owner" as listed in the "owners.list" that you can get by:
$ cvs co owners
(assuming that your CVSROOT is setup correctly)
For something as simple as a typo, you could possibly just fix it yourself and send the author an email notification, but some authors may not be that lenient. I'd check first, because that is the "one true way" around here.
Is that document on the wiki? If so, and if Noriko has an account there he could even fix the English. I'm in agreement with his proposed edit, FWIW. :-)
Hi Tommy and Paul
Thank you for your help! This document is on the wiki, yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 It seems I do not have an account yet. I did try cvs co owners, and permission denied.
I am reading 'Sigining Up' of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters.
- done... it was little long time ago, where did I store it???
- done
- done
- struggling... as super beginner of gpg stuff :(
If I can successfully go through all the process, where can I find the document to touch?
For a suggestion, if I contact the owner directly and he/she make a change, how can other translators know the change applied?
noriko Not good at techy side as typical woman ;P
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:11 +0900, Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:
Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
Why this document is in the Wiki and not in fedora.redhat.com/docs?
Because original document was just a copy of this mail sent to fedora-devel and evolved to current form. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg01320.html
Since Xen technology changes quickly, I think wiki format suit the purpose well, but I don't think anyone complains if there is a proper document.
Exactly. Xen is still a very fast-moving target and thus the wiki is the best place for documenting it. In the future, though, I do foresee a need for more canonical Xen documentation. A good project to put in the percolator for later!
So, we could create a link in http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/ to the wiki, correct?
Thanks in advance,
Rodrigo Menezes
"Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com escreveu: On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:11 +0900, Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:
Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
Why this document is in the Wiki and not in fedora.redhat.com/docs?
Because original document was just a copy of this mail sent to fedora-devel and evolved to current form. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg01320.html
Since Xen technology changes quickly, I think wiki format suit the purpose well, but I don't think anyone complains if there is a proper document.
Exactly. Xen is still a very fast-moving target and thus the wiki is the best place for documenting it. In the future, though, I do foresee a need for more canonical Xen documentation. A good project to put in the percolator for later!