[Bug 695405] New: non-latin charachters in default gnome-shell looks different from the cantarell

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Summary: non-latin charachters  in default gnome-shell looks different from the cantarell

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           Summary: non-latin charachters  in default gnome-shell looks
                    different from the cantarell
           Product: Fedora
           Version: 15
          Platform: Unspecified
        OS/Version: Unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: unspecified
          Priority: unspecified
         Component: fontconfig
        AssignedTo: behdad(a)fedoraproject.org
        ReportedBy: alpha(a)bookwar.info
         QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: behdad(a)fedoraproject.org, pnemade(a)redhat.com,
                    fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
    Classification: Fedora
      Story Points: ---


Created attachment 491272
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example titles and text

Originally posted in Gnome Bugzilla
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647020

Cyrillic fonts, used by default are different from Cantarell in average color
and size.

I use Fedora Live RC1 Beta. And my system locale is en_US.UTF-8.

I attached a screen with Firefox titles, Overview-mode title and Pidgin contact
window. (In Empathy it looks the same.)

Most annoying are fonts in Pidgin or Empathy conversations. Mixture of latin
nicknames, commands and so on with cyrillic words which are twice as bigger.

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--- Comment #1 from Aleksandra Bookwar <alpha(a)bookwar.info&gt; 2011-04-11 12:33:50 EDT
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Created attachment 491279
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Pidgin conversation window as a better example

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Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|non-latin charachters  in   |non-latin characters in
                   |default gnome-shell looks   |default gnome-shell look
                   |different from the          |different from the
                   |cantarell                   |Cantarell

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--- Comment #2 from Alexei Panov <elemc(a)atisserv.ru&gt; 2011-04-28 02:52:22 EDT ---
Created attachment 495420
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Good example of problem.

I confirm this bug.
On screenshot one application and one font but different languages.

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--- Comment #3 from TNO-reg(a)yandex.ru 2011-05-29 02:04:20 EDT ---
This bug also has happened to me, just like on the screenshots above. As a
partial workaround for those who might need it, I have installed
gnome-tweak-tool and changed the fonts from Cantarell to Sans (which works as
an alias to DejaVu Sans, I suppose) which did the trick.

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--- Comment #4 from Hidden <mistresssilvara(a)hotmail.com&gt; 2011-06-24 17:47:38 EDT
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Default DE font which does not support Cyrillic is an insult for international
community. It should be addressed ASAP.

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Andrew Prokhorenkov <andrew.prokhorenkov(a)gmail.com&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Andrew Prokhorenkov <andrew.prokhorenkov(a)gmail.com&gt; 2011-09-03
12:03:42 EDT ---
I confirm this bug.
Default font for international software without support for other - non-latin
symbols - are wrong.

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Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; 2011-09-29 01:52:24 EDT ---
Have we had any discussion to change the default font in any list BTW? we have
used DejaVu fonts as default for Latin though. AFAIK abattis-cantarell-fonts
doesn't have the fontconfig config file to behave so. it's not a bug for
fontconfig anyway.

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         AssignedTo|behdad(a)fedoraproject.org    |mclasen(a)redhat.com

--- Comment #7 from Fedora Admin XMLRPC Client <fedora-admin-xmlrpc(a)redhat.com&gt;
2012-01-10 10:41:51 EST ---
This package has changed ownership in the Fedora Package Database.  Reassigning
to the new owner of this component.

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--- Comment #8 from Fedora Admin XMLRPC Client <fedora-admin-xmlrpc(a)redhat.com&gt;
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This package has changed ownership in the Fedora Package Database.  Reassigning
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Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

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                 CC|                            |ccecchi(a)redhat.com
          Component|fontconfig                  |abattis-cantarell-fonts
         AssignedTo|tagoh(a)redhat.com            |ccecchi(a)redhat.com

--- Comment #9 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; 2012-04-05 06:03:25 EDT ---
reading again, and I'd say again. it's not a bug in fontconfig. as it's
suggested in upstream bug referred in comment#1, better solution would be to
include cyrillic glyphs in cantarell fonts. reassigning.

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--- Comment #10 from Aleksandra Bookwar <alpha(a)bookwar.info&gt; 2012-04-05 08:52:39 EDT
---
I think there are actually two bugs in one:

First: the lack of cyrillic glyphs in Cantarell font. But this could be
addressed as a feature request, not a bug, and we cannot force the designers to
create the cyrillic part of the font if they do not want to or not interested
or just don't have enough time for it.

Second: the bug in the use of Canratell font without cyrillics: it uses some
font as a fallback for non-existent glyphs and we need to change the settings
of these fallback font in such a way, that it looks less differnet from the
Cantarell. Can we at least adjust the size of this fallback font?

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--- Comment #11 from Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; 2012-04-05
09:19:30 EDT ---
Either way the problem is in the cantarell package since it can (and should)
specify its own fallback rules.

However Cantarell is a new design, and I don't think it included consideration
for the metrics of existing fonts, so there is probably no
metrically-compatible font to fallback to.

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--- Comment #12 from Aleksandra Bookwar <alpha(a)bookwar.info&gt; 2012-04-05 10:05:26 EDT
---
Please take a look at Cantarell Cyrillic here:
http://atolstoy.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/cantarell-cyr/

The direct link to the font file: 
http://kknight.narod.ru/Cantarell-Regular-cyr.ttf.tar.gz

Can you add its cyrillic glyphs for default Cantarell may be? Or just use it as
a base. It is not superb and may need some edits, but anyway looks much better
then the default combination.

I can contact the author for any details if needed.

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Jakub Steiner <jsteiner(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Jakub Steiner <jsteiner(a)redhat.com&gt; 2012-04-12 07:32:22 EDT
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I've merged initial Cyrillic support for Cantarell upstream. It will be
included in the 0.0.9 release.

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Cosimo Cecchi <ccecchi(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
         Resolution|                            |UPSTREAM
        Last Closed|                            |2012-04-12 09:16:40

--- Comment #14 from Cosimo Cecchi <ccecchi(a)redhat.com&gt; 2012-04-12 09:16:40 EDT ---
Thanks Jakub, closing as UPSTREAM,

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--- Comment #15 from Peter Lemenkov <lemenkov(a)gmail.com&gt; 2012-04-14 13:22:35 EDT
---
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>  Thanks Jakub, closing as UPSTREAM, 
Absolutely bogus reason for closing. I mean someone reported you about an
issue, and you just told him - "it has been closed somewhere, no need to
worry". Despite of being fixed somewhere our Fedora user still suffers from the
issue since it wasn't fixed in Fedora yet.

#justsaying.

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--- Comment #16 from Cosimo Cecchi <ccecchi(a)redhat.com&gt; 2012-04-16 09:33:39 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #15)

>  Absolutely bogus reason for closing. I mean someone reported you
> about an
>  issue, and you just told him - "it has been closed somewhere, no need to
>  worry". Despite of being fixed somewhere our Fedora user still suffers from the
>  issue since it wasn't fixed in Fedora yet. 
No, what actually happened is someone reported a missing feature, I forwarded
it to Jakub which spent time and hard work and implemented the feature
upstream, and you're whining instead of thanking him.
There's no reason to track this bug in two different locations, since Fedora
tracks upstream releases for Cantarell: you will be able to use the new font
when a release is out for it.

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