server January 2021

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Proposal: Changes to Fedora Server default partitioning scheme
by Stephen Gallagher 13 Dec '24

13 Dec '24

The following proposal comes out of the discussion at this weeks Server SIG meeting[1] Fedora Server will have: * / (root) will be a minimum of 2 GiB and a maximum of 15 GiB * SWAP will continue to be calculated automatically based on available RAM on the system * All unused space will be assigned to a volume group and available to be assigned to new partitions or extend existing partitions. * Anaconda will continue to handle the appropriate EFI and /boot settings We also discussed during the meeting whether we should have a separate /var partition by default, but the general sense was that we might be better served by developing a mechanism to allow partitions to be split from existing mount points, which would be more flexible going forward. As we did not have quorum in the meeting by the point we got to this proposal, I'm taking it to the list for discussion and votes. For the record, the current behavior of the partitioning scheme is for / to be given up to 50 GiB of space and then any remaining space after that is assigned to a separate /home partition. [1] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-03-15/serversig.201…

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Interim quick fix of our Wiki page
by Peter Boy 06 Feb '21

06 Feb '21

As briefly mentioned at the last IRC meeting, our wiki page is in a pretty embarrassing state. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server Anyone who wants to get to know more about Fedora Server is likely to be put off. With a few changes, at least the worst can be fixed. I propose the following changes, which we hopefully might be able to agree on in a short time at the upcoming IRC meeting. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - < (1) „more background on this available here“ Replaced by The founding initiative can be referred here SECTION policies (2) The Server working group meets on a weekly basis in #fedora-meeting-1. Replaced by The Server working group meets on a bi-weekly basis in #fedora-meeting. (3) The regularly scheduled meeting time is 4 PM ET on Wednesdays. Replaced boy The regularly scheduled meeting time is 18:00 UTC on first and third Wednesdays. SECTION Assets (4) Remove out of date notice (Will be replaced by remarks at the individuell items) SECTION Approved documents (5) Product Requirements Document - Approved by WG 17 January 2014 Approved by FESCo 22 January 201 Append: Currently under revision (may in red) (6) Goals for Server Role Installation - Approved 19 Nov 2013 MOVE to Archive, provisionally without replacement (7) Short-Term Goals and Long-Term Goals for Fedora Server Polish Ideas (small ideas that would add a nice level of polish to the server product. Both MOVE to archive provisionally without replacement SECTION Research (8) SECTION title Persona Interviews - Interviews for Persona refinement Both MOVE to archive provisionally without replacement SECTION Proposals (9) Server Lifecycle Proposal Updates and Testing Proposal Both either MOVE to archive provisionally without replacement Or append Currently under revision (10) Server Roles Proposal MOVE to archive provisionally without replacement SECTION Meeting Minutes (11) MOVE completely to "Older meeting minutes" FILL in the meetings since Dec. 2020 > - - - - - - - - - - - < It's not a lot of work, but at least it fixes the roughest deficiencies. I can make the changes, provided my FAS credentials allow it. But I don't want to stop anyone else from doing it either. Peter

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IRC Meeting Febr. 3 - Agenda Proposal
by Peter Boy 01 Feb '21

01 Feb '21

I would like to propose the following agenda items: (1) Fedora Server PRD Update proposal https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/FedoraServerPRD-UpdateProposal-V1-0.odt https://hackmd.io/@x3mboy/By5OkH71O (Same content, different format) - discussion section by section - decision whether the section is to be included - decision what arguments to include (not the wording) (2) Fedora Server Doc Page proposal https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/FedoraServerDocpageProposal_v1-0.odt - discussion of navigation item - discussion of the overall content of each example page Finally: deciding whether we want to set up (and fill) a doc page. (3) Fedora Server Wiki quick fix https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… - Discussion whether and which modifications should be made.

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Fedora Server Doc Page - what resources are required
by Peter Boy 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Of course, we have to produce articles on a reasonable scale. I can estimate that quite accurately and I think it is feasible. But what effort is required to actually see an article published on the site that we have agreed on here? What are the work processes, decision-making steps, evaluation, formatting, etc.? This question came to mind when I tried to offer Fedora Magazine an article on Fedora Server and Cloud Images today. I was lost between dead links (404) and obviously unrelated forums or kanban pages and gave up. The effort was greater (for me) than writing the article itself (OK, a bit of an exaggeration). And then I remembered the docs project's recommendation for vi and docker containers for preview and format checking. Not low-effort. Therefore, what's in the pipeline and how is it to be managed? Looking through various Fedora project pages, I remember a lot of them at quite an old state. That puzzles me. It indicates a relatively high maintenance effort that exceeds the available resources.

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Fedora Server Product Requirement Document (PRD) Update Proposal V1.0
by Peter Boy 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

In the last IRC chat we had agreed to create a first draft proposal for a PRD update. Due to the "events of the season", the start of work was severely limited. I had made a start, but we were not yet able to work on it in the editorial group. So at the moment we only have just this version. This first version is available at: https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/FedoraServerPRD-UpdateProposal-V1-0.odt It’s a LibreOffice file that should be able to be opened on any Fedora system. Maybe we can have a quick chat about this at tomorrow's IRC meeting. Otherwise we can discuss it here on the list. Alternatively, you can make changes or comments in the file and send the changed version to my email address. At the moment, these are the two easiest ways to move forward quickly. m3xboy is working on bringing the text into hackmd.io. Then we would have another way of sharing. In the next step, I would merge all the proposals into another version. Then perhaps already with alternative text passages that could be decided upon. Peter

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Fedora Server Doc Page first draft proposal
by Peter Boy 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

During our IRC meeting last Wednesday we had agreed that I would make a first draft proposal for contents of a possible Fedora Server box on the docs landing page (as to the already existing ones on IoT, CoreOS etc). It is now available at https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/FedoraServerDocpageProposal_v1-0.odt Please, comment here on the mailing list (if possible use the item numbers as reference) or modify the text directly and send it to me (for the time being, improvement is in progress). Best Peter

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Cloud image on Fedora Server
by Peter Boy 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

I know, it’s probably the wrong list here, but I asked over on cloud list and couldn’t induce an answer. I hope the technical experts here can help me. I’m currently working on a text how to use Fedora cloud images as VM’s for production on a standalone Fedora Server, intended as part of our work to enhance our documentation. Specifically, it is about the use of --cloud-init option in virt-install version 3, which has become available in Fedora 33. It is quite a simple way, especially useful if you only want to create a few VMs once. And you can use it perfectly in scripts or Ansible playbooks. I have already got it to work with CentOS cloud image. Now I am looking for information on what the differences are between the Fedora Base Raw image and the Openstack Base qcow2 image (beyond the file format). What different usage rationale underlies the construction of the images. The documentation I found is quite old (Fedora 25 here in docs, or from about 2016 over at https://fedoracloud.readthedocs.io) Please could someone give me a hint where I can grap the info I’m seeking. Thanks Peter

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Cockpit 236 released
by Martin Pitt 22 Jan '21

22 Jan '21

Cockpit is the modern Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from version 236: https://cockpit-project.org/blog/cockpit-236.html Summary: - fslist channels: Include properties of changed files - Internal stabilization work You can get Cockpit here: http://cockpit-project.org/running.html Cockpit 236 is available in Fedora 32 and 33: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-fe1bd864ea https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-3408685d15 Or download the tarball here: https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/releases/tag/236 Take care, Martin Pitt

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Info about IRC meeting and work to be done
by Peter Boy 21 Jan '21

21 Jan '21

Yesterday a bi-weekly IRC meetings was held. Just for information and as an encouragement to participate in the discussion, I would like to summarise the most important topics. A short IRC summary is available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2021-01-20/fedora_server.2…, the complete log at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2021-01-20/fedora_server.2… * TOPIC: Fedora Server Product Requirement Document (PRD) Update* A proposal is available for download at https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/FedoraServerPRD-UpdateProposal-V1-0.odt (LibreOffice format). There is ongoing work to make it available at hackmd.io as well. Everyone is (strongly :-) ) invited to contribute ideas or assessments on the individual topics, here on the mailing list or directly in the document (and send it to the author at the moment). Further discussion at the next meeting ( scheduled 3 Feb. 2021) * TOPIC: Improving Fedora Server documentation and visibility * The starting reference is the suggestion (Matthew) to add a "Fedora Server" box to the docs home page, complementing the existing IoT, Silverblue and CoreOS boxes. The general assessment is that a shift from the wiki to the docs system would be positive. What needs to be clarified is what is to be included there. Some ideas: Server documentation, howtos, ongoing projects and some items that are currently on the wiki page. Some arguments to be weighed up: - It is problematic that documentation becomes outdated more or less quickly. - No documentation might be better than outdated documentation. - Documentation should "grey itself out" over the years (or may be revoked automatically after x years if not updated) - There is also documentation in various places that includes Fedora Server. - Howtos would perhaps be better placed elsewhere, e.g. Fedora Magazine perhaps. - Current and accurate How-To's do attract new users. - If we add "roles" in addition to base server, then docs and possible Git repositories become more important. - We should / must increase visibility. Agreed: pboy will prepare a proposal on possible contents for the next meeting. * TOPIC: systemd-oomd * change proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableSystemdOomd#How_to_test - currently only Fedora Workstation and the KDE Spin comes with a userspace oom killer, and it's earlyoom - the change will enable systemd-oomd on every Fedora solution that seems suitable Broad assessment: should be fine on server Possible issue: - if you have say a httpd and are running several applications on it, they will all be in the same cgroup - maybe jBoss / wildfly are affected the same way Agreed: The aspect would have to be well documented. Further testing. * TOPIC: open floor * The Wiki pages urgently need to be updated, at least the completely deprecated information simply needs to be deleted. Agreed: Further discussion next meeting. ### Just in case anyone missed it: Everyone is strongly invited to contribute! ### (Or as it was called in ancient Rome: ceterum censeo … )

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Server WG
by michel＠michel-slm.name 18 Jan '21

18 Jan '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Server WG on 2021-01-20 from 17:00:00 to 18:00:00 UTC At fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9893/

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