F37 and open bug/rfe

[Peter Boy]

We have still to determine our goals for F37.
see https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/79

One topic we have to care about is an open bug/rfe, we already postponed.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2054625

We decided to continue our discussion on mailing list. Among other things, we still disagreed a bit on how to judge z-shell.

I think we should really review server DVD content. It was basically created a decade ago, presumably with various adjustments in the meantime.  But we have some unresolved issues about it still open.

[mowest]

If this was created a decade ago, than I would like to advocate for a 
complete review of the included packages in the hopes of slimming it down 
as much as possible for the following reasons.

1. Countries with lower bandwidth access can have a working system with a 
smaller download foot print when the remaining packages fulfill our 
specification guidelines that we hashed out in the last cycle.

2. I admit that I have never done a Fedora Server install with the full 
DVD, but always with the Net Install ISO. My reason for doing this is 
because of the fast paced updates that come with Fedora. A weekly or 
bi-weekly update between a Fedora Server and compared to a Debian Stable 
server is rather significant to see how many packages are updated each 
time. Since this is the case, I figure that there is not a lot of value in 
downloading the full DVD if when I do the first update just about every 
package that was installed is updated because of the number of changes 
between when the ISO's were minted and what updates have come through the 
pipeline. The pace of updates in Fedora (I'm sure still far slower than 
Arch) would be another good reason to slim down and limit the number of 
packages to just those that get a working server up for the user, since so 
many of those packages will need to be updated during the first update. 
Therefore adding a lot of additional packages to the DVD that would also 
need refreshing doesn't seem worth it to offer those choices at the time of 
install.

I may be wrong in how this works, but I'm guessing that if my server has a 
connection to the internet, and I do a Net Install with Kickstart with the 
addition of zsh, it would pull that package down during the install. If I 
include zsh on the DVD and they install zsh using a Kickstart install, they 
may still receive an update of zsh on the next update since it is an 
actively developed project so what have they gained by having it on the 
DVD? I love vim, and even though vim is a rather stable project, I'm often 
surprised how many times I see updates for vim during the 6 month life 
cycle of a release. So even in that case, what do I value by having vim on 
the DVD if when I do an update, I have to pull down the newest version 
right away after the install?

Just a few thoughts on the topic of package selection.