#fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-04-26)
Meeting started by nirik at 15:07:09 UTC. The full logs are available at
* roll call (nirik, 15:07:20)
* Agenda (nirik, 15:12:29)
* voting/discussion on new member (nirik, 15:12:50)
* review deliverables list for Fedora 24 (nirik, 15:13:40)
* F24 Beta testing (nirik, 15:14:49)
* new members (nirik, 15:16:10)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Snavin
* AGREED: mjwolf and hanthana joining and mizmo and sgallagh
departing. (+5,0,0) (nirik, 15:43:00)
* Fedora 24 deliverables (nirik, 15:43:41)
* AGREED: deliverables list for f24 looks acceptable to Server WG
* Beta Testing (nirik, 15:53:04)
* Open Floor (nirik, 15:59:51)
Meeting ended at 16:01:41 UTC.
Action Items, by person
People Present (lines said)
* nirik (57)
* danofsatx (32)
* adamw (19)
* jds2001 (18)
* fsaez (18)
* zodbot (13)
* hanthana (11)
* mjwolf (7)
* sgallagh (6)
* mizmo (5)
* stefw (1)
* mhayden (0)
* simo (0)
15:07:09 <nirik> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-04-26)
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15:07:15 <nirik> #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik stefw adamw simo danofsatx mhayden
15:07:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw danofsatx jds2001 mhayden mizmo nirik
sgallagh simo stefw
15:07:20 <nirik> #topic roll call
15:07:30 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
15:07:31 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor'
15:08:08 <hanthana> .fas snavin
15:08:09 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin'
15:08:35 <danofsatx> Welcome, hanthana.
15:08:54 <hanthana> Thanks danofsatx
15:09:15 <mjwolf> hello
15:09:23 <fsaez> hello
15:09:56 <danofsatx> greetings mjwolf, fsaez, hanthana - glad y'all could join
us today (finally ;) )
15:10:03 <nirik> morning everyone. I guess we will wait a bit and see if more folks
15:10:28 <hanthana> Good morning guys (its 20.40 here ;-) )
15:10:31 <adamw> .hello adamwill
15:10:32 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson'
15:10:56 <jds2001> .hello jstanley
15:10:57 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley'
15:11:14 <jds2001> apologies for the tardiness, at the airport :)
15:11:34 <danofsatx> no excusese, jds2001.
15:11:47 <danofsatx> .fire jds2001 for using airports for a lame excuse
15:11:47 <zodbot> adamw fires jds2001 for using airports for a lame excuse
15:11:56 <jds2001> but i am sitting in the delta sky club having a jack and coke :D
15:12:04 <stefw> .hello stefw
15:12:05 <zodbot> stefw: stefw 'Stef Walter' <stefw(a)redhat.com>
15:12:05 <jds2001> great way to start the day :)
15:12:11 <danofsatx> oh, well, the jack makes it ok, then. ;)
15:12:14 <nirik> ha.
15:12:25 <nirik> ok, I think thats 5 now?
15:12:29 <nirik> #topic Agenda
15:12:50 <sgallagh> /me lurks
15:12:50 <nirik> #info voting/discussion on new member
15:12:56 <nirik> any other items for agenda?
15:13:02 <mizmo> i just want to put out there
15:13:07 <mizmo> that we have 3 candidates for 1 slot
15:13:17 <sgallagh> Yeah, jkurik wants the WG to review the deliverables list.
15:13:29 <nirik> #info review deliverables list
15:13:34 <mizmo> i am not going to have a lot of time for the WG moving forward,
i'm going to be managing some interns coming in the next month and working full tilt
on fedora hubs, so i am willing to step down to open up another slot
15:13:34 <nirik> #undo
15:13:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nirik at 15:13:29 : review
15:13:35 <sgallagh> (with some urgency, I take it)
15:13:40 <nirik> #info review deliverables list for Fedora 24
15:14:26 <adamw> beta testing
15:14:35 <nirik> mizmo: you would be missed, but if you won't have time, then I
suppose it makes sense...
15:14:39 <adamw> though that probably doesn't need to be an agenda item, just
'hey folks it's go/no-go in two days, so do some beta testing'
15:14:49 <nirik> #info F24 Beta testing
15:14:58 * mizmo always happy to lurk and chime in
15:15:19 <nirik> ok, anything else agenda wise?
15:15:39 <nirik> ok, lets get started....
15:16:10 <nirik> #topic new members
15:16:33 <nirik> would those folks who are interested perhaps give us a few lines of
background and what they might want to try and accomplish?
15:16:41 <nirik> and then we can discuss a bit and vote?
15:17:21 <danofsatx> to avoid stepping on toes, we'll start with fsaez, then
hanthana and finish with mjwolf. acceptable?
15:17:32 <fsaez> ok
15:17:36 <mjwolf> ok
15:17:37 <nirik> sure
15:17:42 <fsaez> personally, is what I wrote in the mail, I can summarize :)
15:18:03 <fsaez> (fisrt: sorry for bad english incomming)
15:19:50 <fsaez> Well, im currently pursuing a dual degree, IT Business and Computer
Science. I worked as a sysadmin in another University. Currently i am working at my
university as a research assistant, in topics related to IoT. I want to use fedora server
for this backend. In other hand, i want to use Fedora Server in class
15:20:18 <fsaez> Also i can collaborate on translating to Spanish
15:20:31 <fsaez> I
15:20:47 <fsaez> I want to collaborate with Fedora Server using my experiences as
sysadmin, bringing new ideas to the table and getting closer the academic world to Fedora
using my university as a starting point
15:22:32 <nirik> interesting. thanks. :)
15:22:41 <fsaez> With servers that I have in charge, I am preparing an ecosystem
with Windows (for using AD) and power testing. In my past work as sysadmin i have
installed and managed AD, Exchange, etc
15:22:58 <fsaez> Now i have finish
15:23:02 <fsaez> thanks for the oportunity
15:23:16 <fsaez> *power testing = for beta testing
15:24:10 <danofsatx> fsaez: how much longer do you have at university?
15:24:35 <fsaez> From 2013 in UAI. (I was from 2010-2012 at UTFSM)
15:25:10 <danofsatx> cuano fini?
15:25:15 <danofsatx> erm cuando even
15:25:52 <fsaez> 2017, but 2018 if I pursue a Masters
15:25:56 <danofsatx> my spanish is worse than your English ;)
15:26:11 <fsaez> Cuando terminas? this is the sentence haha
15:26:26 <danofsatx> yeah, Google eventually got me there
15:26:56 <fsaez> Spanish is an interesting language to learn :)
15:27:24 <nirik> ok, hanthana?
15:27:33 <danofsatx> can you address the OpenStack interest you mentioned in your
15:27:41 <danofsatx> or, we can save that for later...
15:27:49 <hanthana> I am Danishka Navin (fas: snavin), who have been contributing to
Fedora since 2007 April. I am currently working as DevOps and also I have been working on
a Fedora remix since 2009. It wasn't just a remix but branding and building a local
community around it and did PR/marketing as well. Its runing in 9 national schools for
15:27:49 <hanthana> I am originally from Sri Lanka (+5.30GMT) but currently based in
15:27:49 <hanthana> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Snavin
15:29:30 <nirik> cool. :)
15:29:32 <hanthana> I would like to work on make server images available on all
cloud venders though I only work with AWS so far.
15:29:55 <hanthana> With my new job I will be working from home for 4 days and I can
work more than two hours per week.
15:30:12 <nirik> oh? what advantage do you see for the server image over the
existing cloud one?
15:30:23 <nirik> anyhow, mjwolf ?
15:31:30 <hanthana> i mean if someone just need to deploy LAMP server on AWS, it
would be nice to have a fedora-lamp server image available
15:31:40 <mjwolf> I'm Mike Wolf. I work for IBM in the Linux Technology Center.
I've been working with Fedora for the last couple years. The focus has been in the
secondary arches area, specifically Power
15:31:46 <hanthana> for now we have to use binami images
15:32:44 <mjwolf> I help by getting the Fedora labs the hardware they need. I also
work with universities and projects to get them access to hardware to work on projects in
15:33:46 * danofsatx files that tidbit away for future use
15:33:54 <nirik> ok, cool. Any discussion/questions for folks? or shall we vote? or
15:33:56 <mjwolf> my focus is having complete solutions in Fedora for stacks. So we
have been working with EPEL folks and gcc folks as well as kernel
15:34:22 <fsaez> danofsatx, In my old job Im installed OpenStack (on 6 servers,
almost all components), which we use primarily for web pages. Now I'm waiting to
arrive computers to my University to work in OpenStack (june/july) and use Fedora Server
15:34:30 <mjwolf> what I want to focus on is cloud, docker and adding automated
15:34:52 <jds2001> docker in what way?
15:35:30 <mjwolf> make sure that docker images are available and the tooling
infrastructure work well, kubernetes, flannel, etcd, golang
15:38:04 * nirik thinks this is difficult, all 3 folks are very good candidates. ;)
15:38:47 <sgallagh> .fire danofsatx
15:38:47 <zodbot> adamw fires danofsatx
15:38:52 <sgallagh> There, now there's room ;-)
15:39:02 <nirik> I guess I am +1 mjwolf, +1 hanthana, and would encourage fsaez to
stay involved and look for the next open seat
15:39:20 <danofsatx> hey! I saw that!
15:39:49 <adamw> +1 mjwolf, +1 hanthana
15:40:00 <danofsatx> +1 mjwolf, +1 hanthana
15:40:08 <sgallagh> I no longer have a vote, but if I did, I would agree with nirik
and adamw and danofsatx here.
15:40:10 <jds2001> +1 mjwolf +1 hanthana
15:40:22 <danofsatx> mizmo?
15:40:24 <jds2001> keep in mind that not being on the WG doesn't mean that you
can't contribute :)
15:40:37 <jds2001> in fact, it's very much encouraged :D
15:40:39 <mizmo> +1 mjwolf +1 hanthana
15:41:18 <danofsatx> mhayden is at the OpenStack Summit, he won't be voting. I
don't know about simo or stefw
15:41:52 <nirik> stefw was around eariler...
15:42:23 <danofsatx> we have 5 - isn't that quorum in these parts?
15:42:37 <nirik> yep.
15:42:52 <danofsatx> ok, call it then.
15:43:00 <nirik> #agreed mjwolf and hanthana joining and mizmo and sgallagh
15:43:34 <nirik> fsaez: do hang around too... I think your input would be great to
15:43:41 <nirik> #topic Fedora 24 deliverables
15:43:58 <fsaez> unanimous :( but I'll be around because I want to become known
15:44:12 <danofsatx> fsaez - please, hang out in #fedora-server. Not being a voting
member does not mean we won't listen to valuable insight and imput.
15:44:23 <danofsatx> input, too.
15:44:37 <nirik> This is the list the program manager has.
15:44:42 <nirik> Does that look correct?
15:45:15 * jds2001 agrees with that
15:45:53 <danofsatx> are we still not blocking on ARM?
15:46:10 <jds2001> do we have the resources to block on ARM?
15:46:13 <nirik> nope, we haven't been...
15:46:27 <nirik> I guess that list looks ok to me.
15:46:30 <danofsatx> We made that decision last release due to an unrecoverable bug.
We haven't revisited that decision (that I'm aware of )
15:47:19 <jds2001> danofsatx's point links back to mine :)
15:48:04 <adamw> i'm fine with it
15:48:16 <adamw> i don't think it makes sense for armhfp to be a release
blocking arch for a Server os.
15:48:33 <jds2001> adamw: eventually it will though
15:48:36 <adamw> aarch64 in future? sure. armhfp? no.
15:48:51 <danofsatx> oh, yeah - that makes sense.
15:48:58 * danofsatx forgot his ARM naming scheme
15:49:15 <nirik> unless we want to make a bug push for the armv7 internet of things
15:49:35 <nirik> but that would not be f24 in any case.
15:49:44 <jds2001> nirik: not for Server, i dont think.
15:50:11 <nirik> ok, sounds like we are all in agreement about the deliverables
15:50:13 <jds2001> though are we a proxy deliverable for the base WG now?
15:50:32 <nirik> well, the base WG doesn't really exist anymore, so it would
possibly be up to us yeah...
15:50:44 <nirik> or modularity WG
15:50:47 <danofsatx> yes, deliverables as published +1
15:51:16 <danofsatx> s/deliverables/F24 Deliverables
15:51:22 <jds2001> +1 to deliverables as published for f24
15:51:43 <nirik> +1
15:52:55 <nirik> #agreed deliverables list for f24 looks acceptable to Server WG
15:53:04 <nirik> #topic Beta Testing
15:53:24 <nirik> adamw: you wanted to talk about beta testing?
15:53:29 <adamw> so yeah, in case anyone missed the memo, it's go/no-go on
15:53:46 <adamw> we do not have an rc yet because all blockers are not fixed, but we
still need to get through the server validation tests:
15:53:55 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test
15:53:58 * jds2001 has no time - heading to STL as we speak for
15:54:04 <adamw> i'm gonna be working on that today but if anyone can help
it'd be very much appreciated
15:54:31 <adamw> especially, i am not currently set up to do AD testing
15:54:46 <nirik> that requires windows? or ?
15:55:12 * jds2001 keeps an
15:55:20 <jds2001> MSDN subscription for this stuff
15:55:34 <adamw> I, er, don't know.
15:55:36 <danofsatx> I have it. I'll take care of AD tests.
15:55:50 <adamw> the instructions ultimately link to
"creating an AD domain", which is 404. :P
15:55:59 <adamw> i believe you can do it with Samba, but that's the literal
extent of my knowledge.
15:56:13 <adamw> so, if jds and dan can help, that would be awesome.
15:56:16 <danofsatx> heh, that's easy. I can write up a new doc along with the
15:56:17 <nirik> might be nice to write up more details of how to do it. ;)
15:56:22 <nirik> danofsatx++
15:56:22 <zodbot> nirik: Karma for dmossor changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle):
15:56:33 <adamw> current blockers are not in this stack at all, so if we do the
tests and they pass they will probably hold up for Beta release, unless we have to slip.
15:56:47 <adamw> danofsatx: very much appreciated.
15:57:18 <danofsatx> actually - fsaez, you can jump in on this one, too. Do you have
your Windows environment ready, or is it still in building stages?
15:57:22 <adamw> i'll notify the ML when we need testing in future
15:58:55 <nirik> cool.
15:58:59 <nirik> anything else on this topic?
15:59:51 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
15:59:56 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
16:00:26 <nirik> if nothing, will close out in a minute or two...
16:01:39 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
16:01:41 <nirik> #endmeeting