"No driver found" when installing F14 to a 2TB drive using netinstall

[Adam Zilkie]

Hi,

I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:

“No driver found”
“Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation type. Would you like
to manually select your driver or use a driver disk?”

I get this error only when installing to a 2TB hard drive and using the F14 netinstall.
The installation works fine using a smaller hard drive (250GB). The installation also
works fine using the 2TB hard drive when using the F14 DVD image, and also when using the
F16 netinstall image.

Thanks for your help.




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[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
>  
>  “No driver found”
>  
>  “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation type. Would you like
> to manually select your
>  driver or use a driver disk?” 
why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
will be EOL in 2 months?

[Mike Wright]

On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >
> > “No driver found”
> >
> > “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation type. Would you
> like to manually select your
> > driver or use a driver disk?”
>
>  why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
>  EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15 
Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
>  On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>
> >> “No driver found”
> >>
> >> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation type. Would
> you like to manually select your
> >> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >
> > why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> > EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
>  
>  Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;) 
i am KDE user

don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
internet because infected machines are typically used
to attack machines from people who care about security

what is your plan?
staying at F14 forever?

GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
security updates

[Adam Zilkie]

I need F14... upgrading to a new OS is not an option as I'm in an embedded environment
and we've committed to F14.

Adam Zilkie
Software Developer, Embedded Software Group
International Datacasting Corporation
tel: [phone] ext. 2244


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On Behalf Of Reindl Harald
Sent: April-27-12 4:32 PM
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: "No driver found" when installing F14 to a 2TB drive using
netinstall



Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
>  On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>
> >> “No driver found”
> >>
> >> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation
> >> type. Would you like to manually select your driver or use a driver disk?”
> >
> > why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is EOL, get
> > no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
>
>  Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
>  
i am KDE user

don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these days is simply idiotic -
please do not connect it to the internet because infected machines are typically used to
attack machines from people who care about security

what is your plan?
staying at F14 forever?

GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE or install CentOS to have some years a
GNOME2 OS with security updates



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[Reindl Harald]

damned do not top-post if all other answers are on bottom
fixed -> scroll down please

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: users-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Reindl Harald
>  Sent: April-27-12 4:32 PM
>  To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Subject: Re: "No driver found" when installing F14 to a 2TB drive using
> netinstall
>  
> >>  On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is EOL, get
> >> no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >
> > Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
>  
>  i am KDE user
>  
>  don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these days is simply idiotic -
> please do not connect 
>  it to the internet because infected machines are typically used to attack machines from
> people who care 
>  about security
>  
>  what is your plan?
>  staying at F14 forever?
>  
>  GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE or install CentOS to have some years a
> GNOME2 OS with security updates 
Am 27.04.2012 22:42, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
>  I need F14... upgrading to a new OS is not an option as I'm in an
> embedded environment
>  and we've committed to F14.
>
>  Adam Zilkie
>  Software Developer, Embedded Software Group
>  International Datacasting Corporation
>  tel: [phone] ext. 2244 
in other words you have made a major mistake by using a distribution with
upgrades every 6 months by not thinking about what this means within
a year and now you are putting your head in the sand

and please do not tell me about "embedded environment" since two days ago
our router (which was EOL after 2 years, thank you bintec) was killed
by anonymous - this happens if vendors are not thinking what effect their
wrong decisions will have for endusers

[jdow]

OK. How far down?

{O.o}	You are getting silly, ya know.

On 2012/04/27 13:54, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  damned do not top-post if all other answers are on bottom
>  fixed ->  scroll down please
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: users-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Reindl Harald
> > Sent: April-27-12 4:32 PM
> > To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Subject: Re: "No driver found" when installing F14 to a 2TB drive using
> netinstall
> >
> >>>   On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is EOL, get
> >>> no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >>
> >> Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
> >
> > i am KDE user
> >
> > don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these days is simply idiotic -
> please do not connect
> > it to the internet because infected machines are typically used to attack machines
> from people who care
> > about security
> >
> > what is your plan?
> > staying at F14 forever?
> >
> > GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE or install CentOS to have some
> years a GNOME2 OS with security updates
>
>  Am 27.04.2012 22:42, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> > I need F14... upgrading to a new OS is not an option as I'm in an embedded
> environment
> > and we've committed to F14.
> >
> > Adam Zilkie
> > Software Developer, Embedded Software Group
> > International Datacasting Corporation
> > tel: [phone] ext. 2244
>
>  in other words you have made a major mistake by using a distribution with
>  upgrades every 6 months by not thinking about what this means within
>  a year and now you are putting your head in the sand
>
>  and please do not tell me about "embedded environment" since two days ago
>  our router (which was EOL after 2 years, thank you bintec) was killed
>  by anonymous - this happens if vendors are not thinking what effect their
>  wrong decisions will have for endusers
>
>
>
>

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 23:09, schrieb jdow:
>  OK. How far down?
>  
>  {O.o}    You are getting silly, ya know.
>  
>  On 2012/04/27 13:54, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> > damned do not top-post if all other answers are on bottom
> > fixed ->  scroll down please 
no, silly are people who are unable to use a mailprogram and
unable to understand that a thread where replies are ordered
randomly top and bottom the posting before are unreadable

[Mike Wright]

On 04/27/2012 02:09 PM, jdow wrote:
>  OK. How far down? 
[[plug your ears and close your eyes if you're a prude]]

Oh jdow, you busted my gut with that one.  "On the down low".

Happy Friday all :m)

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:42:24 +0000
Adam Zilkie <AZilkie(a)datacast.com&gt; wrote:

>  I need F14... upgrading to a new OS is not an option as I'm in an
> embedded environment and we've committed to F14.
>   
Then you may well be screwed. The usual reason the drive isn't found is
that your hardware is too new for the OS version and it doesn't know the
PCI identifiers. As F14 won't be upgraded you'll need to build yourself
various new components at which point it's not FC14.

You might be able to get stuff to work if the problem is a new
motherboard type which defaults to the disk in legacy mode. If you have a
BIOS or EFI option to put the disk controller it in AHCI mode that may do
the trick.

You'll still need to replace various packages for security reasons so
you'll end up with something that isn't FC14. It's a meaningless
definition anyway, count how many packages in FC14 as released are the
same in FC14 when it was end of life .. so staying with an FC14 release
even over its lifetime is in all but name little different to changing
release.

This is why for most product you really don't want to be using Fedora and
someone probably goofed in deciding to do so, as you'll now need to
actively track and fix all the known relevant security holes in packages
used in your deployment. That's a lot of manpower compared with using a
distro that does the work for you!

Alan

[Mike Wright]

On 04/27/2012 01:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
> > On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>>
> >>> “No driver found”
> >>>
> >>> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation type.
> Would you like to manually select your
> >>> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >>
> >> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> >> EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >
> > Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
>
>  i am KDE user 
Starting to sound like a smart choice.

>  don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
>  days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
>  internet because infected machines are typically used
>  to attack machines from people who care about security
>
>  what is your plan?
>  staying at F14 forever?
>
>  GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
>  or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
>  security updates 
Please do chill out, Reindl.  I'm about as paranoid as they come and do 
not take security mindlessly.  Using a system with which I am unfamiliar 
and whose new control systems baffle me would seem to make me a major 
candidate as a target by those more familiar with it than I.

Regardless, I always appreciate your help.

Thank you,
Mike Wright
>

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 22:48, schrieb Mike Wright:
>  On 04/27/2012 01:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
> >> On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>>>
> >>>> “No driver found”
> >>>>
> >>>> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation
> type. Would you like to manually select your
> >>>> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >>>
> >>> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> >>> EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >>
> >> Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
> >
> > i am KDE user
>  
>  Starting to sound like a smart choice.
>  
> >
> > don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
> > days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
> > internet because infected machines are typically used
> > to attack machines from people who care about security
> >
> > what is your plan?
> > staying at F14 forever?
> >
> > GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
> > or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
> > security updates
>  
>  Please do chill out, Reindl.  I'm about as paranoid as they come and do not take
> security mindlessly.  Using a
>  system with which I am unfamiliar and whose new control systems baffle me would seem to
> make me a major candidate
>  as a target by those more familiar with it than I. 
the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science
making no upgrade and run a KNOWN vulnerable system because
fear you could make a mistake with the new one is the wrong way

you are still making the mistake by install a vulnerable system

and yes, i am a little bit sensible since many of the attacks
in the last months and especially last days coming from poorly
maintained machines all over the wolrd and nobdy pays me my lifetime
wasting with such issues caused by others

[Mike Wright]

On 04/27/2012 01:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 27.04.2012 22:48, schrieb Mike Wright:
> > On 04/27/2012 01:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
> >>> On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “No driver found”
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation
> type. Would you like to manually select your
> >>>>> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >>>>
> >>>> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> >>>> EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >>>
> >>> Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
> >>
> >> i am KDE user
> >
> > Starting to sound like a smart choice.
> >
> >>
> >> don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
> >> days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
> >> internet because infected machines are typically used
> >> to attack machines from people who care about security
> >>
> >> what is your plan?
> >> staying at F14 forever?
> >>
> >> GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
> >> or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
> >> security updates
> >
> > Please do chill out, Reindl.  I'm about as paranoid as they come and do not take
> security mindlessly.  Using a
> > system with which I am unfamiliar and whose new control systems baffle me would seem
> to make me a major candidate
> > as a target by those more familiar with it than I.
>
>  the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science 
Says who, Werner von Braun?

I've been trying to get vnc geometry working within the systemctl 
methodology for two days.  LOL

Signed, not a rocket scientist. as always, thank you.


>  making no upgrade and run a KNOWN vulnerable system because
>  fear you could make a mistake with the new one is the wrong way
>
>  you are still making the mistake by install a vulnerable system
>
>  and yes, i am a little bit sensible since many of the attacks
>  in the last months and especially last days coming from poorly
>  maintained machines all over the wolrd and nobdy pays me my lifetime
>  wasting with such issues caused by others
>
>
>
>

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 23:06, schrieb Mike Wright:
>  On 04/27/2012 01:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.04.2012 22:48, schrieb Mike Wright:
> >> On 04/27/2012 01:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
> >>>> On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am getting the following error message during my F14
> installation:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> “No driver found”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this
> installation type. Would you like to manually select
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >>>>>
> >>>>> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> >>>>> EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >>>>
> >>>> Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
> >>>
> >>> i am KDE user
> >>
> >> Starting to sound like a smart choice.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
> >>> days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
> >>> internet because infected machines are typically used
> >>> to attack machines from people who care about security
> >>>
> >>> what is your plan?
> >>> staying at F14 forever?
> >>>
> >>> GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
> >>> or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
> >>> security updates
> >>
> >> Please do chill out, Reindl.  I'm about as paranoid as they come and do not
> take security mindlessly.  Using a
> >> system with which I am unfamiliar and whose new control systems baffle me would
> seem to make me a major candidate
> >> as a target by those more familiar with it than I.
> >
> > the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science
>  
>  Says who, Werner von Braun?
>  I've been trying to get vnc geometry working within the systemctl methodology for two
> days.  LOL
>  Signed, not a rocket scientist. as always, thank you. 
and why are you not simply copy the vnc@.service to /etc/systemd/systemd/vnc.service and
change it to a simply "ExecStart" with your needed params like i did with
openvpn months
ago which has the same "syndrome" with openvpn@?

you have even much more options as with sysv-init-scripts which are permanently
overwritten and much more complex - how would you do things like below
with sysvinit ina clean way?
_________________

cat /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service
[Unit]
Description=OpenVPN
After=network.target

[Service]
Type=forking

ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/openvpn --mktun --dev tap0
ExecStartPre=/sbin/ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ExecStartPre=/sbin/ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/brctl addbr br0
ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/brctl addif br0 eth1 tap0
ExecStartPre=/sbin/ifconfig br0 ****** netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast ****** up
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --cd /etc/openvpn/ --config openvpn.conf
ExecStartPost=-/sbin/sysctl -e -p
ExecStartPost=-/sbin/sysctl -e -w net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables=0
ExecStartPost=-/sbin/sysctl -e -w net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables=0
ExecStartPost=-/sbin/route add -net ****** netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ****** dev eth0

ExecStopPost=/sbin/ifconfig br0 down
ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/brctl delbr br0
ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/openvpn --rmtun --dev tap0
ExecStopPost=/sbin/ifconfig eth1 ****** netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast ****** up

Restart=always
RestartSec=1

[Install]

WantedBy=multi-user.target

[jdow]

On 2012/04/27 13:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 27.04.2012 22:48, schrieb Mike Wright:
> > On 04/27/2012 01:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 27.04.2012 22:29, schrieb Mike Wright:
> >>> On 04/27/2012 01:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 27.04.2012 22:05, schrieb Adam Zilkie:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am getting the following error message during my F14 installation:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “No driver found”
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “Unable to find any devices of the type needed for this installation
> type. Would you like to manually select your
> >>>>> driver or use a driver disk?”
> >>>>
> >>>> why in the world are you installing NOW Fedora 14 which is
> >>>> EOL, get no longer any security updates and even Fedora 15
> >>>
> >>> Gnome 3? hahaha.  Now laugh, Reindl ;)
> >>
> >> i am KDE user
> >
> > Starting to sound like a smart choice.
> >
> >>
> >> don't get me wrong - installing a non supported OS these
> >> days is simply idiotic - please do not connect it to the
> >> internet because infected machines are typically used
> >> to attack machines from people who care about security
> >>
> >> what is your plan?
> >> staying at F14 forever?
> >>
> >> GNOME2 will never come back - switch to another DE
> >> or install CentOS to have some years a GNOME2 OS with
> >> security updates
> >
> > Please do chill out, Reindl.  I'm about as paranoid as they come and do not take
> security mindlessly.  Using a
> > system with which I am unfamiliar and whose new control systems baffle me would seem
> to make me a major candidate
> > as a target by those more familiar with it than I.
>
>  the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science
>  making no upgrade and run a KNOWN vulnerable system because
>  fear you could make a mistake with the new one is the wrong way
>
>  you are still making the mistake by install a vulnerable system
>
>  and yes, i am a little bit sensible since many of the attacks
>  in the last months and especially last days coming from poorly
>  maintained machines all over the wolrd and nobdy pays me my lifetime
>  wasting with such issues caused by others 
Now that you've had your rant, he is talking an embedded system. Remember
that when you contemplate the following. Suppose for a moment that this
is a theatrical lighting console application. (I know of at least one that
runs Linux  underneath.) It won't be connected to the Internet, at least
not directly. If the theater's system architect has the brains God gave
a toad or if he's been reading the right lists he'll know to put the
theatrical control Ethernet on its own wires or at least its own virtual
network if glitches can be tolerated. One node would provide for the
business office monitoring of the network with a strong firewall running
on a machine running no services.

So the machine would be adequately safe even if it was running Hurricane
or some other horrrrribly old distribution.

So while they might have done better picking Centos of some vintage the
degree to which it would be better for the cited application is too small
to sweat.

PS: You're so overwrought by the top posting or something you've forgotten
how to spell there at the end, "wolrd" and "nobdy". Calm down. The
world is
not ending.

{^_^}

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.04.2012 23:18, schrieb jdow:
>  On 2012/04/27 13:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science
> > making no upgrade and run a KNOWN vulnerable system because
> > fear you could make a mistake with the new one is the wrong way
> >
> > you are still making the mistake by install a vulnerable system
> >
> > and yes, i am a little bit sensible since many of the attacks
> > in the last months and especially last days coming from poorly
> > maintained machines all over the wolrd and nobdy pays me my lifetime
> > wasting with such issues caused by others
>  
>  Now that you've had your rant, he is talking an embedded system. Remember
>  that when you contemplate the following. Suppose for a moment that this
>  is a theatrical lighting console application. (I know of at least one that
>  runs Linux  underneath.) It won't be connected to the Internet, at least
>  not directly.  
that still does not explain why not using a distribution which offers
secruity updates for ten years like CentOS6 which is based on fedora
AND even offers GNOME2 - sorry there is simply no reason using fedora
14 as abse for anything in this world

i saw so many people failing by "security is not relvent here and there"

what are you doing with F14 on new hardware when you get no kernel updates?
CentOS get's kernel updates with recent hardware drivers
only this should explain why choosing a EOL F14 for embedded is stupid

[jdow]

On 2012/04/27 14:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 27.04.2012 23:18, schrieb jdow:
> > On 2012/04/27 13:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> the core-system is exactly the same, systemd is no rocket science
> >> making no upgrade and run a KNOWN vulnerable system because
> >> fear you could make a mistake with the new one is the wrong way
> >>
> >> you are still making the mistake by install a vulnerable system
> >>
> >> and yes, i am a little bit sensible since many of the attacks
> >> in the last months and especially last days coming from poorly
> >> maintained machines all over the wolrd and nobdy pays me my lifetime
> >> wasting with such issues caused by others
> >
> > Now that you've had your rant, he is talking an embedded system. Remember
> > that when you contemplate the following. Suppose for a moment that this
> > is a theatrical lighting console application. (I know of at least one that
> > runs Linux  underneath.) It won't be connected to the Internet, at least
> > not directly.
>
>  that still does not explain why not using a distribution which offers
>  secruity updates for ten years like CentOS6 which is based on fedora
>  AND even offers GNOME2 - sorry there is simply no reason using fedora
>  14 as abse for anything in this world
>
>  i saw so many people failing by "security is not relvent here and there"
>
>  what are you doing with F14 on new hardware when you get no kernel updates?
>  CentOS get's kernel updates with recent hardware drivers
>  only this should explain why choosing a EOL F14 for embedded is stupid 
For a lightboard with everything embedded and large portions on fixed storage
you don't want or have facilities for updates. You want stability. You have
your head stuck on update rather than stability. Or are you telling me that
Linux is basically not a secure operating system and desperately needs daily
update capability in order to survive? What OS would you suggest they use for
an embedded system?

Bring some flexibility to your thinking. And do give other people some credit
for having IQs above that of field mouse. It would help your image.

{o.o}

[Andy Blanchard]

On 27 April 2012 22:18, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net&gt; wrote:

>  Now that you've had your rant, he is talking an embedded system.
> Remember
>  that when you contemplate the following. Suppose for a moment that this
>  is a theatrical lighting console application. (I know of at least one that
>  runs Linux  underneath.) It won't be connected to the Internet, at least
>  not directly. If the theater's system architect has the brains God gave
>  a toad or if he's been reading the right lists he'll know to put the
>  theatrical control Ethernet on its own wires or at least its own virtual
>  network if glitches can be tolerated. One node would provide for the
>  business office monitoring of the network with a strong firewall running
>  on a machine running no services.
>  
OK, that piqued my curiosity enough to make me put away the popcorn.  OP's
domain was "datacast.com", which didn't bode well for the
"disconnected"
aspect and one quick look at www.datacast.com seems to confirm that.  They
make appliances for streaming media content between the content makers and
those who are going to broadcast it, some of which are IP enabled, (which
fits with the 2TB HDD mentioned - it's probably for local buffering).  I
doubt very much that data transfer is going to be entirely over private
circuits, somehow...  Hopefully, yes, given the media business' paranoia
over piracy, but in practice - I think not.

-- 
Andy

*The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe*

[jdow]

On 2012/04/27 14:43, Andy Blanchard wrote:
>  On 27 April 2012 22:18, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      Now that you've had your rant, he is talking an embedded system. Remember
>      that when you contemplate the following. Suppose for a moment that this
>      is a theatrical lighting console application. (I know of at least one that
>      runs Linux  underneath.) It won't be connected to the Internet, at least
>      not directly. If the theater's system architect has the brains God gave
>      a toad or if he's been reading the right lists he'll know to put the
>      theatrical control Ethernet on its own wires or at least its own virtual
>      network if glitches can be tolerated. One node would provide for the
>      business office monitoring of the network with a strong firewall running
>      on a machine running no services.
>
>
>  OK, that piqued my curiosity enough to make me put away the popcorn.  OP's
>  domain was "datacast.com <http://datacast.com>";, which didn't bode
> well for the
>  "disconnected" aspect and one quick look at www.datacast.com
>  <http://www.datacast.com> seems to confirm that.  They make appliances for
>  streaming media content between the content makers and those who are going to
>  broadcast it, some of which are IP enabled, (which fits with the 2TB HDD
>  mentioned - it's probably for local buffering).  I doubt very much that data
>  transfer is going to be entirely over private circuits, somehow...  Hopefully,
>  yes, given the media business' paranoia over piracy, but in practice - I think not.
For about 8 years in the previous decade I worked in that industry. It is
rather difficult to get software updates into their offices even working
from the inside even with remarkably small stations.

 From another angle the cost of downtime due to a rather typical (even with
Centos) update issue is very high. The cost of getting hacked is much lower,
at the moment. So they make the reliability decision. Unwise or not this is
a customer driven issue. "Embedded" means, to them, that it is not going to
change and possibly cost them revenue. They don't operate on big margins that
could absorb thousands of dollars a minute outages.

{^_^}