6:45 p.m.
Greetings,
Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release of 11.
It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in the
wrong direction.
For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
It will be release when it's released.
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9:06 a.m.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:36:41 +0100
"Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Chris wrote:
> Greetings,
>
><snip>
> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
This is what pushed it back.
>
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html
Frank
Thanks Frank. As you have included the original lines of my posting
I'll expand on the comment of using something like It's released when
it's released".
If any of you (like myself) use(d) multiple OS's (mainly the BSD line)
in recent years, you'll remember that release cycles most often can be
met.
Some of these OS's (or more precisely Unix-Like OS's) have had issues
(as Fedora is now) with release dates.
It's been my experience that some of these OS's have taken the approach
that I have mentioned. Granted, that in itself it comes across as
pompous yet it does not pigeon-hole any one distro (used here for
Linux) to a set date.
I started with Fedora 7 (after my initial introduction to Linux via
Ubuntu from being nothing but a BSD munkie). And as many Fedorians do,
went into F8 and loved it.
That love affair ended with the install of F9. To me (No flames
intended and only MY experience) F9 was a disaster. Every time an update
came out (and IIRC - that happened often for the first 2 months) it
broke my system.
At this time I was a fully converted Linux nut and Fedora was
installed on every box and lappy I had. The terrible experience I had
with F9 reminded me of the days when MS seemingly pushed out a bad
service pack that appeared to be odd number related (some of you here
may indeed remember those days).
To tie this all up neatly - while I have since moved on to a distro
where the release cycle isn't nearly as aggressive as Fedora, I still do
care and keep an eye on the list.
While I do use (and love) Cent for our servers, I can't commit to it for
my desktop. I do look forward to 11 though. It may not be enough to
move me back just yet - but I can still hope.
... now maybe I don't appear so Troll-like (granted, I do have hair on
my toes).
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1:05 p.m.
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:06:51 -0500,
Chris <racerx(a)makeworld.com> wrote:
While I do use (and love) Cent for our servers, I can't commit to it for
my desktop. I do look forward to 11 though. It may not be enough to
move me back just yet - but I can still hope.
My feeling is that F12 is likely to be a nice release, but F11 is likely
to need to grow. I have had a lot of frustrating issues come up during rawhide
and while things are mostly in a reasonable state now, I expect people to
be finding some rough spots yet. In particular video / X stuff has been in
a lot of flux. I expect that between now and the F12 release things will
improve a lot, especially for systems using Intel and ATI video hardware.
I'd like to be able to recommend using Fedora + RPMFusion + Livna to my
neighbor, but I suggested Ubuntu (which he likes) a few weeks ago, because I
thought it would be better (less likely to be frustrating) for a new linux
user. This is someone who I think might want to be a participant, not just
end user.
12:12 p.m.
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:53:46 -0500,
Chris <racerx(a)makeworld.com> wrote:
You sure do seem to talk a lot about nothing. I simply commented on the
days slipping by and you go off on a rant that not needed and paints
you in a way that ... well...
And I think it was a legitimate complaint. Hopefully people will look at
what happened and try to see if there are reasonable ways the slippage
could have been avoided through better process. Presumably this will
come up at the recently announced Fedora Activity day that will occur in
just over a week.
The slippage may have been necessary at the time the decisions were made to
slip, but that doesn't mean it was a good thing to have happen.
12:10 p.m.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:36:41 +0100, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote:
This is what pushed it back.
>
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/
msg00011.html
I'm not sure whether it's the same bug, even after reading that.
But I know there's at least one that hits installing pretty hard.
Basically, you have to slip through the partitioning without
touching a thing.
That may be acceptable on expendable machines -- I've done it on
a couple of seldom-booted laptops -- but I wouldn't want to try on an
important machine till I hear it's fixed.
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8:36 a.m.
Chris wrote:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html
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Greetings,
<snip>
For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at
11.
Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
This is what pushed it back.
8:17 a.m.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:03:01 +0100
"Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please be Polite to one another on the list.
Frank
I thought I was. However, it's a sad commentary when a
comment on time slippage is greeted with pontificated self-righteous
gobblety-goop then punctuate with insults.
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7:55 a.m.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 02:26:24 -0200
Armin Moradi <amoradi(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:12 AM, David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
> On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
>> David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
>>>> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting
>>>> in the wrong direction.
>>>>
>>>> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
>>>> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>>>>
>>>> It will be release when it's released.
>>>
>>> If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If
>>> you had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on.
>>> Fixing. trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would
>>> troll your way out of here.
>>>
>>> Bye troll.
>>>
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>
> Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't
> work for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest
> and the greatest'? *WOW!!!*
>
> Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or
> would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a
> release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for
> those that it does not with a tweak or two??
>
> Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut
> the hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the
> masses.
>
> Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last
> RC. Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it!
>
> Then? The bridge is that way. >>>
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If you want it that bad, why don't you want you go on Preview? It's
there, ready for you to be used.
Never said I wanted it. Simply commenting on the time slipping away.
Y'all (Ok, not all, but some) are reading waaay (and yes, the
multiple a's are intentional) too much into this.
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7:53 a.m.
On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:12:39 -0400
David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
> David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
>>> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in
>>> the wrong direction.
>>>
>>> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
>>> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>>>
>>> It will be release when it's released.
>>
>> If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you
>> had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing.
>> trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your
>> way out of here.
>>
>> Bye troll.
>>
>
> *shrug*
>
Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't
work for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest
and the greatest'? *WOW!!!*
Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or
would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a
release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for
those that it does not with a tweak or two??
Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the
hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses.
Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC.
Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it!
Then? The bridge is that way. >>>
You sure do seem to talk a lot about nothing. I simply commented on the
days slipping by and you go off on a rant that not needed and paints
you in a way that ... well...
*shrug*
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11:26 p.m.
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:12 AM, David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
> David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
>>> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in
>>> the wrong direction.
>>>
>>> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
>>> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>>>
>>> It will be release when it's released.
>>
>> If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you
>> had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing.
>> trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your
>> way out of here.
>>
>> Bye troll.
>>
>
> *shrug*
>
Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work
for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the
greatest'? *WOW!!!*
Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or
would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a
release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those
that it does not with a tweak or two??
Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the
hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses.
Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC.
Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it!
Then? The bridge is that way. >>>
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10:12 p.m.
On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
>> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in
>> the wrong direction.
>>
>> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
>> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>>
>> It will be release when it's released.
>
> If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you
> had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing.
> trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your
> way out of here.
>
> Bye troll.
>
*shrug*
Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work
for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the
greatest'? *WOW!!!*
Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or
would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a
release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those
that it does not with a tweak or two??
Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the
hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses.
Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC.
Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it!
Then? The bridge is that way. >>>
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7:08 p.m.
On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in
> the wrong direction.
>
> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>
> It will be release when it's released.
If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you
had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing.
trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your
way out of here.
Bye troll.
*shrug*
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6:58 p.m.
On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
Greetings,
Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release of 11.
It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in the
wrong direction.
For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
It will be release when it's released.
If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you had
any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing. trying to
make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your way out of here.
Bye troll.
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8:45 a.m.
(Yes, I'm top posting, but it's only to make this point, and to actually,
maybe, have it seen)
Guys, I doubt that he was trying to troll, in this case. It seemed to me
that he was simply pointing out something he thought was humorous.
What I suspect is that Chris is not subscribed to the
fedora-announce-list, and hasn't necessarily seen the announcements that
the date was slipping by a week or more, due to the fixes, etc.
So, maybe we should cut him a little slack?
On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400
> David <dgboles(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release
>>> of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in
>>> the wrong direction.
>>>
>>> For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11.
>>> Might I suggest the tag line say something like:
>>>
>>> It will be release when it's released.
>>
>> If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you
>> had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing.
>> trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your
>> way out of here.
>>
>> Bye troll.
>>
>
> *shrug*
>
Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work
for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the
greatest'? *WOW!!!*
Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or
would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a
release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those
that it does not with a tweak or two??
Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the
hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses.
Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC.
Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it!
Then? The bridge is that way. >>>
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