New subject: Yum failing me...

Friday, 29 July 2005

I installed smart, and done a smart upgrade. It downloaded all of the
files and installed up to gnome-games and locked up on me. After restart
I get:

"error: 'rpm' python module is not available"

Now I cannot use Yum, Smart and Up2date.

Any suggestions?

Jeff Ausband

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Rhythmbox sound skips when launching other programs or
      checking	mail (Klaasjan Brand)
   2. Re: FC4 kernel compile (Further errors) (david walcroft)
   3. Re: kernel source (Paul Howarth)
   4. Re: FC4 - Firefox Personality ? (Dotan Cohen)
   5. Re: vsftpd config (Paul Howarth)
   6. Re: Yum failing me... (Paul Howarth)
   7. Prelink eating all my resources (Dotan Cohen)
   8. Re: Prelink eating all my resources (Peter Teuben)
   9. Re: Uninstalling exim (when turning it off is not enough)
      (Paul Howarth)
  10. Re: yum-daily.yum - FC4 (Paul Howarth)
  11. Re: Prelink eating all my resources (Dotan Cohen)
  12. Re: kde kicker crashes (Anil Kumar Sharma)
  13. Shock system lockup! (Neil Marjoram)
  14. Re: sound problem with Dell 510m - also Gateway Solo 2150
      (Bob Gustafson)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:29 +0200
From: Klaasjan Brand <klaasjan(a)gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: Rhythmbox sound skips when launching other programs or
	checking	mail
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <8bb8e93605072823507913657c(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 7/29/05, Anthony Dean <adean75(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
...
 Hi...

 In my Fedora Core 4 setup (256 MB RAM, 2.4 ghz Celeron processor,
 whitebox PC), for some reason, the sound in Rhythmbox keeps skipping (as
...
 if it were being fast-forwarded through the track) when I either
launch
...
 some programs (even the terminal) or when I do something such as
fetch
 email from the server with Evolution. 
Another one here: I've got exactly the same problem on a laptop using
the snd_intel8x0 driver. First I thought it was about Rhythmbox not
processing the cpu speed changes (speedstep) correctly, but since then
I've found out it happens without speed changes too.
I think you're right it's when the CPU load spikes.
It's happening in XMMS too, but with different results (sound goes
silent).

...
 I'm not sure how to go about fixing this; any suggestions?

My current guess is it's a bug in the sound driver.
Please post your sound card details (and lsmod output, I'm interested
which driver you use).

Klaasjan

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:52:36 +1000
From: david walcroft <david_walcroft(a)yahoo.com.au&gt;
Subject: Re: FC4 kernel compile (Further errors)
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <42E9D234.3090002(a)yahoo.com.au&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Kenny Gow wrote:
...
 david walcroft wrote:

> david walcroft wrote:
>
>> Kenny Gow wrote:
>>
>>> david walcroft wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  My problem is the following error:
>>>>
>>>> Makefile:447: 
>>>>
/home/david/rpmbuild/BUILD/kernel-2.6.12/linux-2.6.12/arch//Makefile: 
...
>>>> No such file or directory
>>>>
>>>> make: *** No rule to make target 
>>>>
`/home/david/rpmbuild/BUILD/kernel-2.6.12/linux-2.6.12/arch//Makefile'. 
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop.
>>>>
>>>> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.26847 (%prep)
>>>>
>>>> I did a 'rpmbuild -bp --target=i686'
>>>> 'cd BUILD/kernel-2.6.12/linux-2.6.12/' 'make menuconfig'
>>>> 'cp .config SOURCES/kernel-2.6.12-i686.config'
>>>> 'rpmbuild -bb --target=i686 SPECS/kernel-2.6.12.spec'
>>>>
>>>> I have tried install/run several times,'cp Makefile 
>>>> BUILD/kernel-2.6.12/linux-2.6.12/arch/' nothing is working.
>>>>
>>>> What am I doing wrong
>>>>
>>>>  david
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-May/msg00401.html
>>>
>> Thanks Kenny,
>>
>> Compiling as I write.   david
>>
> Another error close to the end of compiling (most frustrating)
>
> well heres the end error:
>
> + mkdir -p 
> /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/usr/lib/debug/boot
> + mkdir -p /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/boot
> + install -m 644 .config 
> /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/boot/config-2.6.12-1.1
398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp 
...
>
> + install -m 644 System.map 
> /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/boot/System.map-2.6.12
-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp 
...
>
> + cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage 
> /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.
1398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp 
...
>
> + '[' -f arch/i386/boot/zImage.stub ']'
> + mkdir -p 
> /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root/lib/modules/2.6.12-1.1
398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp 
...
>
> + make -s ARCH=i386 
> INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root 
> modules_install KERNELRELEASE=2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp
> /bin/sh: line 1:  1369 Killed                  /sbin/depmod -ae -F 
> System.map -b /var/tmp/kernel-2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.david-root -r 
> 2.6.12-1.1398_FC4.Alsa.davidsmp
> make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 137
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62431 (%build)
>
> Watch for line wrap
>
> Thanks  david
>

 Just a guess, but in your original message, you put

  >>>> 'cp .config SOURCES/kernel-2.6.12-i686.config'

 which indicates you were using the i686 non-SMP config file,
 but your error output suggests you were building an SMP version of a 
 kernel rpm.

 Perhaps you should have started with the SMP config file,

 kernel-2.6.12-i686-smp.config

 I didn't run into any problems compiling but I turned off building SMP 
...
 in the spec file:    %define buildsmp 0
  I did Kenny.

# Override generic defaults with per-arch defaults

%ifarch noarch
%define builddoc 1
%define buildup 0
%define buildsmp 0
%define all_arch_configs $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/kernel-%{kversion}-*.config
%endif

from the kernel-2.6.spec.

  david

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:57:57 +0100
From: Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;
Subject: Re: kernel source
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <1122620277.2851.80.camel(a)laurel.intra.city-fan.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 13:33 -0400, paul d jones wrote:
...
 Hi, 

 I hope this has not been asked recently....

 I am having a bit of difficulty installing the kernel source for the
 2.6.12-1.1372_FC3 kernel.I need this for the reinstallation of my nvidia
...
 driver.
 I tried to follow the instructions for installing the sources as found
 in "http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc3.shtml". Basically 
...

 1. rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.9-1.667.src.rpm

 followed by

 2.rpmbuild -bp --target=noarch  /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/kernel-2.6.spec
 But alas, my nvidia installer is not finding the kernel source tree.
 Even when using the --kernel-source-path /usr/src/BUILD/kernel-2.6.12
 nvidia installer option, I still get error messages. 

 If you cannot tell, I kinda have no idea what I am doing :-)

 Oh... I cannot find a source rpm via yum, are they no longer available
 in the repositories? or am I not looking in the right place (using the
 default yum repos...)

 Any help would be appreciated.  
You don't need the full kernel source to build the nvidia drivers.

# yum install kernel-devel

and then try building your drivers again. That should be sufficient.

Paul.
-- 
Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:59:08 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen(a)gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: FC4 - Firefox Personality ?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <880dece0050728235974a09992(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 7/29/05, taharka <res00vl8(a)alltel.net&gt; wrote:
...
 OK, cool. I'm strictly concentrating on firefox. Question, will
your site list the sites that get reported to you?
...

 taharka

 Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. 

Of course. The idea is to provide a place to 'find' these sites. So
that in one's spare time one could visit them and surf around in
firefox. The intent is to make firefox (or opera or konquerer or any
other browser) a larger percent of total browser share for that site.
So when the webmaster looks at stats, he will see the need to support
these browsers.

I also am organizing sections on standards compliance, and suggestions
for writing to these webmasters. Links to firefox and opera will be
provided, as well as news regarding developments in browsers.

Dotan Cohen
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/108/carey_mariah.php
Carey, Mariah Song Lyrics

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:05:30 +0100
From: Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;
Subject: Re: vsftpd config
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <1122620730.2851.85.camel(a)laurel.intra.city-fan.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 21:42 +0200, Alexander Dalloz wrote:
...
 Am Do, den 28.07.2005 schrieb Will Yardley um 21:26:
 > On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:27:13PM +0200, Alexander Dalloz wrote:
 > > Am Do, den 28.07.2005 schrieb Marcel Janssen um 19:13:

 > > > I'd like to open vsftp for anonymous users to write. I just need
 > > > that for a short moment so that someone can upload something.
 >  
 > > Can't you just create a specific user for that purpose? Not to ship
...
 > > around your configuration problem, but for safety. FTP
servers open
...
 > > for anonymous write are quickly misused.
 > 
 > Proftpd, at least, has some great options to make this less likely.
 > Preventing MKDIR and LIST (and maybe RETR), for example, in the incoming
...
 > directory makes it a lot more safe.
 > 
 > w

 Yes, I use such kind of a setup with both Proftpd and Pure-FTPd which
 makes uploads invisible in the incoming area as soon as the upload
 finished. The public area is just download enabled. 
Me too (proftpd). I occasionally get files dumped in /incoming but the
poor kiddies can't download it from anywhere :-)

What the OP probably needs to do is:

# chcon -R -t ftpd_anon_rw_t /path/to/upload/directory

(see "man ftpd_selinux").

Paul.
-- 
Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:09:05 +0100
From: Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;
Subject: Re: Yum failing me...
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <1122620945.2851.89.camel(a)laurel.intra.city-fan.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:25 -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
...
 At 6:26 PM +0300 7/28/05, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 >...Tell me, how carefully watched are the people who maintain
 >packages in, say, extras? Can these repros really be trusted in that
 >sense? I guess that I am, in a way, letting the maintainers of the
 >repros add anything that they like to my system- I don't have the
 >knowledge to go over every last package, and as a home user, I do not
 >plan on aquiring that knowledge.

 Put another way, are there any known cases where a packager for a major
...
 distro or repo has acted with malicious intent?  (I'm also
curious about
...
 this.) 
Not that I know of, but I do recall issues with the ftp servers for
major bits of software being compromised and the source code being
tampered with there. That's why it's a good idea always to check GPG
signatures when provided for tarballs you may download.

Paul.
-- 
Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:12:52 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen(a)gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Prelink eating all my resources
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <880dece00507290012694dc9d7(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi list,
Once again my FC4 box (Duron 1200mHz, 512 ram) has crawled to a halt.
I quickly top'ed and found a process prelink that varied between
74%-98% CPU usage.

 PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
 5202 root      39  19 11724 9280  536 R 89.9  1.9   0:23.59 prelink

So I googled for prelink and now know that it helps preload libraries
so that progreams can start faster. Which is senseable because the
machine started slowing down when I clicked 'manage bookmarks' in
firefox, which opens another program. My question is, what can I do to
prevent this from happening again? Do I have to ust cross my fingers
every time I open a new program?

Could this be related to the fact that I have no swap partition? I
know that I should probably add one, I guess that I've just been too
lazy to learn how. Will adding a swap partition make the machine less
sluggish? For this 512 ram machine, I was thinking of adding a 2 gig
swap partition.

Dotan
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/60/basil_toni.php
Basil, Toni Song Lyrics

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Teuben <teuben(a)astro.umd.edu&gt;
Subject: Re: Prelink eating all my resources
To: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen(a)gmail.com&gt;,	For users of Fedora Core
	releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.50.0507290315080.1858-100000(a)grus.astro.umd.edu&gt;
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Dotan Cohen wrote:

...
 Hi list,
 Once again my FC4 box (Duron 1200mHz, 512 ram) has crawled to a halt.
 I quickly top'ed and found a process prelink that varied between
 74%-98% CPU usage.

  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
  5202 root      39  19 11724 9280  536 R 89.9  1.9   0:23.59 prelink

 So I googled for prelink and now know that it helps preload libraries
 so that progreams can start faster. Which is senseable because the
 machine started slowing down when I clicked 'manage bookmarks' in
 firefox, which opens another program. My question is, what can I do to
 prevent this from happening again? Do I have to ust cross my fingers
 every time I open a new program?

 Could this be related to the fact that I have no swap partition? I
 know that I should probably add one, I guess that I've just been too
 lazy to learn how. Will adding a swap partition make the machine less
 sluggish? For this 512 ram machine, I was thinking of adding a 2 gig
 swap partition. 

I've also notices that on occasion i have a similar (but not prelink)
"problem": the machine is crawling to a halt, the load can go up
like crazy (10 or 20) briefly and return to normal after a while. I am
doing things that take resources, e.g. once i was loading big (1kx2k)
images using xv, and another time compiling a large project. To me
it seemed as if it was not able to figure out how to efficiently manage
the swap. Overal, i'm not impressed with my new FC4system (which
ran RH9 quite allright before).

peter

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:18:45 +0100
From: Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;
Subject: Re: Uninstalling exim (when turning it off is not enough)
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <1122621525.2851.91.camel(a)laurel.intra.city-fan.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 19:29 -0400, neidorff wrote:
...
 On 7/28/05, Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt; wrote:
 > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 21:07 -0400, neidorff wrote:
 > > On 7/27/05, Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt; wrote:
 > > > neidorff wrote:
 > > > >>>I'm sorry to give a flaky answer, but whatever pop server
is installed
...
 > > > >>>with qmailrocks.  Courier does imap in
this setup, I think it also
...
 > > > >>>does pop.  I did a manual login to the pop
server
 > > > >>>(#telnet localhost 110)
 > > > >>>and was able to successfully log into my account and list my
mail.  I
...
 > > > >>>assume that means that the pop server is
working properly?
 > > > >>
 > > > >>It's at least working for localhost. It might not be listening
on other
...
 > > > >>interfaces.
 > > > >>
 > > > >>What's the output of:
 > > > >># netstat -lpn | grep 110
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > > tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:110                 0.0.0.0:*
 > > > >      LISTEN      10652/tcpserver
 > > > >
 > > > > This tcpserver is the one that came with qmail (the
ucspi-tcp-0.88
...
 > > > > package).  Its the only one on the system.
 > > >
 > > > The netstat output indicates that it's listening on all
interfaces, not
...
 > > > just localhost, so it should be usable from anywhere
as long as you
...
 > > > don't have a /etc/hosts.deny entry or firewall
rule that is blocking
...
 > > > access from anywhere else.
 > > >
 > > > Is your kmail configured to use the pop server on localhost?
 > > >
 > >
 > > Yes, kmail is configured to use the pop server on localhost.  I
 > > thought about the firewall rule and turned it off, but got the same
...
 > > error.  The file /etc/hosts.deny is empty (just a few lines
of
 > > comments).
 > 
 > I've no idea why kmail can't do what you can do yourself with telnet,
...
 > i.e. log in and look at your mail. What error message do you
get?
 > 
 > Paul.
 > --

 The error is:  "Could not start process POP3." 
I think it's probably worth trying a kmail list for this. I don't use
kmail myself so I don't know if this is an underlying issue with your
POP server (which I doubt) or a kmail configuration error.

Paul.
-- 
Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:25:26 +0100
From: Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;
Subject: Re: yum-daily.yum - FC4
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <1122621926.2851.95.camel(a)laurel.intra.city-fan.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 19:49 -0700, linux wrote:
...
 Does anyone know what the yum-daily.yum file does? It's in the
/etc/yum
...
 directory, and is called by"yum-daily.yum" the daily yum
cron job
 in /etc/cron.daily/yum.

 I can't find a man page or a faq or a howto anywhere which explains this
...
 file. It's new for FC4

 It has three lines:

 update
 ts run
 exit

 I can see update prompting a "yum update"
 but I can't figure out "ts run" - is it a test run? 
No, it's a "transaction set" run. These are yum shell commands - yum has
its own shell that you can access using "yum shell".

$ yum shell
Setting up Yum Shell
...
 help 
    commands:  clean, config, exit, groupinfo, groupinstall, grouplist,
               groupremove, groupupdate, info, install, list,
               localinstall, makecache, provides, quit, remove,
               repo, run, search, transaction, update

...
 help ts 
    ts arg
      list: lists the contents of the transaction
      reset: reset (zero-out) the transaction
      solve: run the dependency solver on the transaction
      run: run the transaction

...
 exit Leaving Shell

...
 I assume "exit" gets out of the yum process. 
Yes.

Paul.
-- 
Paul Howarth <paul(a)city-fan.org&gt;

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:26:46 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen(a)gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: Prelink eating all my resources
To: Peter Teuben <teuben(a)astro.umd.edu&gt;
Cc: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <880dece005072900264d1e132d(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 7/29/05, Peter Teuben <teuben(a)astro.umd.edu&gt; wrote:
...
 I've also notices that on occasion i have a similar (but not
prelink)
 "problem": the machine is crawling to a halt, the load can go up
 like crazy (10 or 20) briefly and return to normal after a while. I am
 doing things that take resources, e.g. once i was loading big (1kx2k)
 images using xv, and another time compiling a large project. To me
 it seemed as if it was not able to figure out how to efficiently manage
...
 the swap. Overal, i'm not impressed with my new FC4system (which
 ran RH9 quite allright before).

 peter

Yeah, I didn't want to be a jerk about it, but in other OS's,
including FC3, the machine was real snappy. FC4 is by far the most
sluggish OS that I've tried, but as I haven't set up a swap partition,
I did not want to blame FC4 just yet. But I know that a lot of people
complain that is is sluggish.

Side note: what is the general opinion about disabling CUPS, so that
it will not start up when I start the computer? I don't have a
printer, and it also seems like a resource hog.

Dotan
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/346/michael_george.php
Michael, George Song Lyrics

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:03:03 +0530
From: Anil Kumar Sharma <xplusaks(a)gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: kde kicker crashes
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Message-ID: <52fe6b68050729003376ec6044(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

 I also face this kicker crash but not concluded yet if it is control
center 
changes or smething else. Now onwards I will take particular note.

 On 7/29/05, Richard Humphrey <rlhumphrey(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: 
...

 I see the same prob on laptop running FC3. Kicker crashes when I go to log 
...
 out. 

 On 7/27/05, kevin.kempter(a)dataintellect.com <
 kevin.kempter(a)dataintellect.com&gt; wrote: 
 > 
 > I see the same issue on my laptop running FC4
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > --- BRUCE STANLEY <bruce.stanley(a)prodigy.net&gt; wrote:
 > > > I have been having kicker crashes now and then 
 > > > on FC4 when using the KDE desktop.
 > > >
 > > > It seems to occur whenever I run the 'Control Center'
 > > > program to change things.
 > > >
 > > > Example: use control center to change the stye and 
 > > > colors used by KDE.
 > > >
 > > > Then changes take effect ok, but when I
 > > > log out, the kicker crash occurs.
 > > >
 > > > When I log back in, all the changes I made 
 > > > are still there and KDE acts like nothing
 > > > ever happen.
 > > >
 > > > I have applied all the kde updates
 > > > (e.g kdebase, kdelib, kdegraphics), arts and alsa 
 > > > updates, and the xorg updates found on the FC4
 > > > download site.
 > > >
 > > > Note: other types of changes can be made in the
 > > > control center, and kicker crashes may 
 > > > also occur.
 > > >
 > > > Has anyone else been having problems with kicker?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > ps: yes I re-created my ~/.kde dir after updates
 > > > were applied. 
 > >
 > > 2ND-POST:
 > > Am I to conclude that no one besides Chris and myself are having
 > > problems with the KDE kicker crashing?
 > 
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