9:41 p.m.
Hi,
I just have installed successfully FC2 on my brand new laptop ( Compaq R3140US )
based on AMD64 mobile chip. I have manage to run it with the nvidia driver (
without GLX support in hardware unfortunatly , the GLX library provided seems
to work only with Xfree86 stack and not Xorg ), I face a strange issue right
now with my hard drive.
It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of the hardrive where
put in an off position and restarted or like if my disk was going to die. I
though that my hard drive was a Dead on arrival one and re installed windows to
check ( sorry for the debugging way ), and everything works fine so it seems to
be a Linux issue, tried with redHat AS 3 and no issue, so seems to be FC 2
related.
I am running with ACPI as to be able to support powernow from K8 chip. That is
right now mandatory for me otherwise with standard AMD way my BIOS doesn't
support the magic PST structure which will allow to unconfigure ACPI.
I have turned off the maximum daemon that I could, any idea from where the
problem could come ?
Jean-Marie
4:18 a.m.
Hi Jeam-Marie
On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of the
hardrive
where put in an off position and restarted or like if my disk was going to
die.
I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice but, the
same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the exact kernel issue I
think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels that is) as you said it sounded
like the heads were extending to far on the platters this usually indicates
imminent hardware failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if
memory serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
that the problem lies in the kernel.
This happened 'once' yesterday with my laptop but hasn't happened since.
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he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer"
5:42 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
Hi Jeam-Marie
On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
> It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of the hardrive
> where put in an off position and restarted or like if my disk was going to
> die.
I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice but, the
same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the exact kernel issue I
think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels that is) as you said it sounded
like the heads were extending to far on the platters this usually indicates
imminent hardware failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if
memory serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
that the problem lies in the kernel.
Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory 30GB(fujitsu), no
clicking..
Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked smartd, no
problems with the drive.
Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do notice is
that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not doing anything. Once
I get XMMS running or reading some files or ls -laR, it goes off.
Funny..
7:59 p.m.
On Thursday 03 June 2004 18:42, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
> Hi Jeam-Marie
>
> On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
> > It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of
> > the hardrive where put in an off position and restarted or like
> > if my disk was going to die.
>
> I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice
> but, the same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the
> exact kernel issue I think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels
> that is) as you said it sounded like the heads were extending to
> far on the platters this usually indicates imminent hardware
> failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if memory
> serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
> that the problem lies in the kernel.
Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory 30GB(fujitsu),
no clicking..
Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked smartd,
no problems with the drive.
Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do notice
is that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not doing
anything. Once I get XMMS running or reading some files or ls -laR,
it goes off.
Funny..
Not to the drive I'm afraid.
This clicking is the drive itself doing whats known as thermal
recalibrations. Its aware of the tempurature rise, knows that the
disks are growing with the heat, and is relocating a few tracks here
and there in order to keep its ability to seek up to date as the
physical dimensions of the disk change. When the disk gets busy, the
seeks associated with the activity usually furnish the correction
info it needs, or the seeks may become buried in the normal activity
noises.
I don't mind it occasionally, say every 5 to 10 minutes as it warms
up, but if it gets too warm, they will continue essentially non-stop.
If after say half an hour of warmup, it is still doing it frequently,
then consider re-arranging the drives mountings for better cooling,
like leaving an open bay on both sides of it, or mounting it in a
drive cooler thats then mounted in a 5.25" bay. Additional cooling
fans to improve the internal circulation may help, but don't make the
mistake of adding rear panel exhaust only fans without opening up the
fan port (putting an intake fan there is even better) on the front
fan pad most boxes have so that the PSU fan isn't starved for air,
and cooking the PSU.
Any drive that does this non-stop in a box thats up 24/7/365 can
expect to have a problem, and according to Murphy's Law, will fail 10
days after the warranty expires. It ruins your whole day when that
happens.
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8:10 p.m.
Gene,
Thanks for the update, so can we avoid that with ACPI functions. In fact Windows
doesn't produce this phenomena meaning that this O/S ( if we can call it O/S )
is able to manage hard drive differently.
Any ideas ?
Jean-Marie
Selon Gene Heskett <gene.heskett(a)verizon.net>:
On Thursday 03 June 2004 18:42, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
>> Hi Jeam-Marie
>>
>> On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
>> > It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of
>> > the hardrive where put in an off position and restarted or like
>> > if my disk was going to die.
>>
>> I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice
>> but, the same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the
>> exact kernel issue I think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels
>> that is) as you said it sounded like the heads were extending to
>> far on the platters this usually indicates imminent hardware
>> failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if memory
>> serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
>> that the problem lies in the kernel.
>
>Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory 30GB(fujitsu),
> no clicking..
>
>Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked smartd,
> no problems with the drive.
>
>Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do notice
> is that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not doing
> anything. Once I get XMMS running or reading some files or ls -laR,
> it goes off.
>
>Funny..
Not to the drive I'm afraid.
This clicking is the drive itself doing whats known as thermal
recalibrations. Its aware of the tempurature rise, knows that the
disks are growing with the heat, and is relocating a few tracks here
and there in order to keep its ability to seek up to date as the
physical dimensions of the disk change. When the disk gets busy, the
seeks associated with the activity usually furnish the correction
info it needs, or the seeks may become buried in the normal activity
noises.
I don't mind it occasionally, say every 5 to 10 minutes as it warms
up, but if it gets too warm, they will continue essentially non-stop.
If after say half an hour of warmup, it is still doing it frequently,
then consider re-arranging the drives mountings for better cooling,
like leaving an open bay on both sides of it, or mounting it in a
drive cooler thats then mounted in a 5.25" bay. Additional cooling
fans to improve the internal circulation may help, but don't make the
mistake of adding rear panel exhaust only fans without opening up the
fan port (putting an intake fan there is even better) on the front
fan pad most boxes have so that the PSU fan isn't starved for air,
and cooking the PSU.
Any drive that does this non-stop in a box thats up 24/7/365 can
expect to have a problem, and according to Murphy's Law, will fail 10
days after the warranty expires. It ruins your whole day when that
happens.
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On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 17:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2004 18:42, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
>> Hi Jeam-Marie
>>
>> On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
>> > It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of
>> > the hardrive where put in an off position and restarted or like
>> > if my disk was going to die.
>>
>> I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice
>> but, the same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the
>> exact kernel issue I think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels
>> that is) as you said it sounded like the heads were extending to
>> far on the platters this usually indicates imminent hardware
>> failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if memory
>> serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
>> that the problem lies in the kernel.
>
>Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory 30GB(fujitsu),
> no clicking..
>
>Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked smartd,
> no problems with the drive.
>
>Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do notice
> is that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not doing
> anything. Once I get XMMS running or reading some files or ls -laR,
> it goes off.
>
>Funny..
Not to the drive I'm afraid.
This clicking is the drive itself doing whats known as thermal
recalibrations. Its aware of the tempurature rise, knows that the
disks are growing with the heat, and is relocating a few tracks here
and there in order to keep its ability to seek up to date as the
physical dimensions of the disk change. When the disk gets busy, the
seeks associated with the activity usually furnish the correction
info it needs, or the seeks may become buried in the normal activity
noises.
I don't mind it occasionally, say every 5 to 10 minutes as it warms
up, but if it gets too warm, they will continue essentially non-stop.
If after say half an hour of warmup, it is still doing it frequently,
then consider re-arranging the drives mountings for better cooling,
like leaving an open bay on both sides of it, or mounting it in a
drive cooler thats then mounted in a 5.25" bay. Additional cooling
fans to improve the internal circulation may help, but don't make the
mistake of adding rear panel exhaust only fans without opening up the
fan port (putting an intake fan there is even better) on the front
fan pad most boxes have so that the PSU fan isn't starved for air,
and cooking the PSU.
That's the best explanation I've heard of. Though I'm really curious on where
you got that info. I work in a HD company and yet I'm oblivious to that
"feature"
BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go with better
cooling. :(
9:13 p.m.
You are right this is a laptop drive I can't really help him to get cooler
except leaving florida !
Basically what I do have observed as well is that with standard kernel from FC2,
I do not have this issue which is basically coming from the fact that the
processor is locked to running at 800 Mhz ( my BIOS do not support PST
structure required by the standard powernow-k8 kernel module ). I do have had
to patch the kernel to allow the processor running at 1.8 Ghz, and the hard
drive issue appears only in that case.
I am now wondering if the patch applied to use ACPI rather than PST structure is
not breaking processor fan and internal fan usage of the system which could
increase the overall temperature of the system. I basically do have to check
for that. Any idea on that point will be great, I do have to co tact as well
the maintainer of the powernow-k8 kernel module ...
Jean-Marie
Selon Ow Mun Heng <Ow.Mun.Heng(a)wdc.com>:
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 17:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 03 June 2004 18:42, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> >On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
> >> Hi Jeam-Marie
> >>
> >> On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
> >> > It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of
> >> > the hardrive where put in an off position and restarted or like
> >> > if my disk was going to die.
> >>
> >> I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a novice
> >> but, the same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not sure of the
> >> exact kernel issue I think it was about three back (FC1 Kernels
> >> that is) as you said it sounded like the heads were extending to
> >> far on the platters this usually indicates imminent hardware
> >> failure, however on the next issue of kernel (which if memory
> >> serves me, was very fast) the problem was fixed so I take the view
> >> that the problem lies in the kernel.
> >
> >Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory 30GB(fujitsu),
> > no clicking..
> >
> >Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked smartd,
> > no problems with the drive.
> >
> >Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do notice
> > is that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not doing
> > anything. Once I get XMMS running or reading some files or ls -laR,
> > it goes off.
> >
> >Funny..
>
> Not to the drive I'm afraid.
>
> This clicking is the drive itself doing whats known as thermal
> recalibrations. Its aware of the tempurature rise, knows that the
> disks are growing with the heat, and is relocating a few tracks here
> and there in order to keep its ability to seek up to date as the
> physical dimensions of the disk change. When the disk gets busy, the
> seeks associated with the activity usually furnish the correction
> info it needs, or the seeks may become buried in the normal activity
> noises.
>
> I don't mind it occasionally, say every 5 to 10 minutes as it warms
> up, but if it gets too warm, they will continue essentially non-stop.
> If after say half an hour of warmup, it is still doing it frequently,
> then consider re-arranging the drives mountings for better cooling,
> like leaving an open bay on both sides of it, or mounting it in a
> drive cooler thats then mounted in a 5.25" bay. Additional cooling
> fans to improve the internal circulation may help, but don't make the
> mistake of adding rear panel exhaust only fans without opening up the
> fan port (putting an intake fan there is even better) on the front
> fan pad most boxes have so that the PSU fan isn't starved for air,
> and cooking the PSU.
That's the best explanation I've heard of. Though I'm really curious on
where
you got that info. I work in a HD company and yet I'm oblivious to that
"feature"
BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go with better
cooling. :(
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10:11 p.m.
On Thursday 03 June 2004 22:13, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
You are right this is a laptop drive I can't really help him to
get
cooler except leaving florida !
Basically what I do have observed as well is that with standard
kernel from FC2, I do not have this issue which is basically coming
from the fact that the processor is locked to running at 800 Mhz (
my BIOS do not support PST structure required by the standard
powernow-k8 kernel module ). I do have had to patch the kernel to
allow the processor running at 1.8 Ghz, and the hard drive issue
appears only in that case.
Aha! So thats where the heat is coming from. I'd imagine you have
doubled the power input, and the heat output of the cpu, and I'm
wondering how long it itself will survive, not to mention the power
regulation circuitry for the cpu with its at least doubled current
drain.
Heat management in a laptop is probably the highest paid engineering
job at the laptop makers R&D shop, and much of that stuff is designed
right down to the gnats eyebrow for cooling. I think in the
interests of decent life for both the laptop and its battery, I'd put
it back to the factory speed. The laptop is too valuable to cook
trying to make up some bragging rights, do that to a $300 dollar
Wallmart box instead.
I am now wondering if the patch applied to use ACPI rather than PST
structure is not breaking processor fan and internal fan usage of
the system which could increase the overall temperature of the
system. I basically do have to check for that. Any idea on that
point will be great, I do have to co tact as well the maintainer of
the powernow-k8 kernel module ...
Jean-Marie
Selon Ow Mun Heng <Ow.Mun.Heng(a)wdc.com>:
> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 17:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 03 June 2004 18:42, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > >On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 02:18, Peter Cannon wrote:
> > >> Hi Jeam-Marie
> > >>
> > >> On Thursday 03 Jun 2004 03:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
> > >> > It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head
> > >> > of the hardrive where put in an off position and restarted
> > >> > or like if my disk was going to die.
> > >>
> > >> I don't have the answer as even after 8 months I'm still a
> > >> novice but, the same problem happend with FC 1 now I'm not
> > >> sure of the exact kernel issue I think it was about three
> > >> back (FC1 Kernels that is) as you said it sounded like the
> > >> heads were extending to far on the platters this usually
> > >> indicates imminent hardware failure, however on the next
> > >> issue of kernel (which if memory serves me, was very fast)
> > >> the problem was fixed so I take the view that the problem
> > >> lies in the kernel.
> > >
> > >Hmm.. sound like my problem too.. D600 with factory
> > > 30GB(fujitsu), no clicking..
> > >
> > >Upgraded to 80GB(hitachi) and there's the clicking. Checked
> > > smartd, no problems with the drive.
> > >
> > >Been like 1+ months. No problems (touch wood). I thing I do
> > > notice is that it seems to happen is the drive's Hot. or not
> > > doing anything. Once I get XMMS running or reading some files
> > > or ls -laR, it goes off.
> > >
> > >Funny..
> >
> > Not to the drive I'm afraid.
> >
> > This clicking is the drive itself doing whats known as thermal
> > recalibrations. Its aware of the tempurature rise, knows that
> > the disks are growing with the heat, and is relocating a few
> > tracks here and there in order to keep its ability to seek up to
> > date as the physical dimensions of the disk change. When the
> > disk gets busy, the seeks associated with the activity usually
> > furnish the correction info it needs, or the seeks may become
> > buried in the normal activity noises.
> >
> > I don't mind it occasionally, say every 5 to 10 minutes as it
> > warms up, but if it gets too warm, they will continue
> > essentially non-stop. If after say half an hour of warmup, it is
> > still doing it frequently, then consider re-arranging the drives
> > mountings for better cooling, like leaving an open bay on both
> > sides of it, or mounting it in a drive cooler thats then mounted
> > in a 5.25" bay. Additional cooling fans to improve the internal
> > circulation may help, but don't make the mistake of adding rear
> > panel exhaust only fans without opening up the fan port (putting
> > an intake fan there is even better) on the front fan pad most
> > boxes have so that the PSU fan isn't starved for air, and
> > cooking the PSU.
>
> That's the best explanation I've heard of. Though I'm really
> curious on where
>
> you got that info. I work in a HD company and yet I'm oblivious to
> that "feature"
>
> BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go
> with better cooling. :(
>
>
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10:27 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2004 22:13, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
>You are right this is a laptop drive I can't really help him to get
>cooler except leaving florida !
>Basically what I do have observed as well is that with standard
>kernel from FC2, I do not have this issue which is basically coming
>from the fact that the processor is locked to running at 800 Mhz (
>my BIOS do not support PST structure required by the standard
>powernow-k8 kernel module ). I do have had to patch the kernel to
>allow the processor running at 1.8 Ghz, and the hard drive issue
>appears only in that case.
>
>
>
Aha! So thats where the heat is coming from. I'd imagine you have
doubled the power input, and the heat output of the cpu, and I'm
wondering how long it itself will survive, not to mention the power
regulation circuitry for the cpu with its at least doubled current
drain.
Heat management in a laptop is probably the highest paid engineering
job at the laptop makers R&D shop, and much of that stuff is designed
right down to the gnats eyebrow for cooling. I think in the
interests of decent life for both the laptop and its battery, I'd put
it back to the factory speed. The laptop is too valuable to cook
trying to make up some bragging rights, do that to a $300 dollar
Wallmart box instead.
To me , it looks like he is using the factory speed. These CPUs run
usually at 800Mhz to save power when using battery power and 1800Mhz
otherwise.
What he has done is simply enabling something that should just work ,
but with the kernel rpm didnt... I bet if he boots to the other OS (if
he has it) , it'll be using the same speeds (800Mhz with battery power ,
1800Mhz otherwise).
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10:31 p.m.
You are right this is what windows do, Linux doesn't seems to start up properly
the fan using ACPI. The laptop start heating up, so there is probably a bug
around that point no ?
Jm
Selon Pedro Fernandes Macedo <webmaster(a)margo.bijoux.nom.br>:
Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Thursday 03 June 2004 22:13, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
>
>
>>You are right this is a laptop drive I can't really help him to get
>>cooler except leaving florida !
>>Basically what I do have observed as well is that with standard
>>kernel from FC2, I do not have this issue which is basically coming
>>from the fact that the processor is locked to running at 800 Mhz (
>>my BIOS do not support PST structure required by the standard
>>powernow-k8 kernel module ). I do have had to patch the kernel to
>>allow the processor running at 1.8 Ghz, and the hard drive issue
>>appears only in that case.
>>
>>
>>
>Aha! So thats where the heat is coming from. I'd imagine you have
>doubled the power input, and the heat output of the cpu, and I'm
>wondering how long it itself will survive, not to mention the power
>regulation circuitry for the cpu with its at least doubled current
>drain.
>
>Heat management in a laptop is probably the highest paid engineering
>job at the laptop makers R&D shop, and much of that stuff is designed
>right down to the gnats eyebrow for cooling. I think in the
>interests of decent life for both the laptop and its battery, I'd put
>it back to the factory speed. The laptop is too valuable to cook
>trying to make up some bragging rights, do that to a $300 dollar
>Wallmart box instead.
>
>
>
To me , it looks like he is using the factory speed. These CPUs run
usually at 800Mhz to save power when using battery power and 1800Mhz
otherwise.
What he has done is simply enabling something that should just work ,
but with the kernel rpm didnt... I bet if he boots to the other OS (if
he has it) , it'll be using the same speeds (800Mhz with battery power ,
1800Mhz otherwise).
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10:01 p.m.
On Thursday 03 June 2004 21:57, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
[lemme do a huge snip here]
That's the best explanation I've heard of. Though I'm
really curious
on where you got that info. I work in a HD company and yet I'm
oblivious to that "feature"
On other mailing lists, from people at the drive makers. Also, I'm a
C.E.T., FWTW (not a lot, it just shows I'm more hardware than most).
BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go with
better cooling. :(
Ouch, so you haven't a really hot drive, 5400's weren't normally that
hot running, but one that isn't well enough cooled, or is possibly on
its way out. :(
What happens if you prop it up for a couple of inches worth of air
under it? Lots of those things sit right down on the table, as if
they're trying to use the table for a heat sink. Wood and similar
stuff isn't so good at that :)
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8:59 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 20:01, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 03 June 2004 21:57, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
[lemme do a huge snip here]
>That's the best explanation I've heard of. Though I'm really curious
> on where you got that info. I work in a HD company and yet I'm
> oblivious to that "feature"
On other mailing lists, from people at the drive makers. Also, I'm a
C.E.T., FWTW (not a lot, it just shows I'm more hardware than most).
What's C.E.T??
>BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go
with
> better cooling. :(
Ouch, so you haven't a really hot drive, 5400's weren't normally that
hot running, but one that isn't well enough cooled, or is possibly on
its way out. :(
It's less than a 1+ month old. It's 80GB choke full.
Man.. Don't crash.. but the smart and stuffs says it's OK
What happens if you prop it up for a couple of inches worth of air
under it? Lots of those things sit right down on the table, as if
they're trying to use the table for a heat sink. Wood and similar
stuff isn't so good at that :)
Actually, usually the prob will go away once I restart.
I've not idea if it'll also happen in Windows. I rarely Boot XP and when
even if I do, I've not idea what to do to heat it up..
I can't (or rather, don't dare) go internet on XP. It's SO... outdated..
(patch wise)
1:21 a.m.
On Friday 04 June 2004 21:59, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 20:01, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 03 June 2004 21:57, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
[...]
> On other mailing lists, from people at the drive makers. Also,
> I'm a C.E.T., FWTW (not a lot, it just shows I'm more hardware
> than most).
What's C.E.T??
Certified Electronics Technician. Its a nationally based
certification program here in the states, run by an organsition
called ISCET and in some states (California comes to mind) one must
be one in order to get a business license to repair tv's and such.
In this case first registered in Nebraska as #118 back in 1972. The
test is a fairly complete one, far surpassing technically, the old
FCC 1st Phone test, which I have been also since back in the early
60's. Yeah, I'm an old fart, I'll be 70 in October.
That, and a buck, will get you a cuppa coffee in most smaller town
greasy spoons. :-)
> >BTW, this is a laptop 5400rpm drive. It has got NO place to go
> > with better cooling. :(
>
> Ouch, so you haven't a really hot drive, 5400's weren't normally
> that hot running, but one that isn't well enough cooled, or is
> possibly on its way out. :(
It's less than a 1+ month old. It's 80GB choke full.
Man.. Don't crash.. but the smart and stuffs says it's OK
> What happens if you prop it up for a couple of inches worth of air
> under it? Lots of those things sit right down on the table, as if
> they're trying to use the table for a heat sink. Wood and similar
> stuff isn't so good at that :)
Actually, usually the prob will go away once I restart.
I've not idea if it'll also happen in Windows. I rarely Boot XP and
when even if I do, I've not idea what to do to heat it up..
I can't (or rather, don't dare) go internet on XP. It's SO...
outdated.. (patch wise)
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6:33 a.m.
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 22:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
Hi,
I just have installed successfully FC2 on my brand new laptop ( Compaq R3140US )
based on AMD64 mobile chip. I have manage to run it with the nvidia driver (
without GLX support in hardware unfortunatly , the GLX library provided seems
to work only with Xfree86 stack and not Xorg ), I face a strange issue right
now with my hard drive.
It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of the hardrive where
put in an off position and restarted or like if my disk was going to die. I
though that my hard drive was a Dead on arrival one and re installed windows to
check ( sorry for the debugging way ), and everything works fine so it seems to
be a Linux issue, tried with redHat AS 3 and no issue, so seems to be FC 2
related.
Just a SWAG, could it be smartd? Try killing smartd and see if the
clicking continues.
Bob...
8:33 a.m.
killed and still there !
Jm
Selon Bob Chiodini <chiodr(a)kscems.ksc.nasa.gov>:
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 22:41, vejmarie(a)numericable.fr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just have installed successfully FC2 on my brand new laptop ( Compaq
R3140US )
> based on AMD64 mobile chip. I have manage to run it with the nvidia driver
(
> without GLX support in hardware unfortunatly , the GLX library provided
seems
> to work only with Xfree86 stack and not Xorg ), I face a strange issue
right
> now with my hard drive.
>
> It is clicking let's say every 10 to 30 s like if the head of the hardrive
where
> put in an off position and restarted or like if my disk was going to die.
I
> though that my hard drive was a Dead on arrival one and re installed
windows to
> check ( sorry for the debugging way ), and everything works fine so it
seems to
> be a Linux issue, tried with redHat AS 3 and no issue, so seems to be FC 2
> related.
Just a SWAG, could it be smartd? Try killing smartd and see if the
clicking continues.
Bob...
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