4:01 a.m.
Good afternoon from Singapore,
What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I think
both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
When do I use RHEL?
When do I use Fedora Server?
I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.
Thank you.
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5:09 a.m.
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
When do I use RHEL?
When do I use Fedora Server?
There will be plenty of webpages that already give answers to such
questions, but:
Fedora is always newer than Red Hat, releases are released more often,
but has a shorter lifespan, but is free.
New versions of Red Hat are released less often, have a longer
lifespan, and is a commercial product. Because of the lifespan, it has
older versions of software, and may not have all software you want
available for it (though may be less of an issue with servers than
workstations).
If you want the stability of RHEL, but without the cost, you can use a
free distro that's based on RHEL, like CentOS.
I use CentOS on a LAN server, because I don't want to be upgrading that
machine that often. But I use Fedora on the general machines, because
I want to use some software that's not available with CentOS. Though,
right now, the only software I can think of that I face that issue with
is MuseScore.
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6:15 a.m.
Noted with thanks.
On 2020-04-14 18:09, Tim via users wrote:
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
> think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
>
> When do I use RHEL?
>
> When do I use Fedora Server?
There will be plenty of webpages that already give answers to such
questions, but:
Fedora is always newer than Red Hat, releases are released more often,
but has a shorter lifespan, but is free.
New versions of Red Hat are released less often, have a longer
lifespan, and is a commercial product. Because of the lifespan, it has
older versions of software, and may not have all software you want
available for it (though may be less of an issue with servers than
workstations).
If you want the stability of RHEL, but without the cost, you can use a
free distro that's based on RHEL, like CentOS.
I use CentOS on a LAN server, because I don't want to be upgrading that
machine that often. But I use Fedora on the general machines, because
I want to use some software that's not available with CentOS. Though,
right now, the only software I can think of that I face that issue with
is MuseScore.
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11:53 a.m.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:01:50PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
Fedora Server is from the Fedora Project, which is a community sponsored
largely by Red Hat -- but Fedora Server is _not_ a Red Hat product.
Fedora Server serves as the "upstream" for RHEL. RHEL is released every
three years, and Fedora Server every six months. Red Hat choses a version of
the Fedora OS and branches it into RHEL, which is then supported for ten
years.
When do I use RHEL?
When you need a supported operating system with certifications,
partnerships, a long lifecycle, and the other value provided by a Red Hat
subscription.
When do I use Fedora Server?
When you want to follow the latest open source code and preview what might
land in RHEL in the future, when you are okay with self- and
community-support, and when you don't mind updating to new versions every
year.
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3:28 a.m.
Noted with thanks.
On 2020-04-15 00:53, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:01:50PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En
Ming wrote:
> What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
> think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
Fedora Server is from the Fedora Project, which is a community
sponsored
largely by Red Hat -- but Fedora Server is _not_ a Red Hat product.
Fedora Server serves as the "upstream" for RHEL. RHEL is released every
three years, and Fedora Server every six months. Red Hat choses a
version of
the Fedora OS and branches it into RHEL, which is then supported for
ten
years.
> When do I use RHEL?
When you need a supported operating system with certifications,
partnerships, a long lifecycle, and the other value provided by a Red
Hat
subscription.
> When do I use Fedora Server?
When you want to follow the latest open source code and preview what
might
land in RHEL in the future, when you are okay with self- and
community-support, and when you don't mind updating to new versions
every
year.
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2:15 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 02:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Good afternoon from Singapore,
What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I think
both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
When do I use RHEL?
When do I use Fedora Server?
I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.
Thank you.
Hi Turritopsis,
Red Hat kind of sponsors Fedroa and uses a lot of
its designs, but Fedroa is a whole bunch of other
people too. RHEL is all Red hat.
The difference are
Fedora is a Kaisen (constant improvement) Operating
System. RHEL is anti-Kaisen.
RHEL is a defunct, locked down version of Fedora,
bugs and all. The idea is that you can rely on
things, including the locked in bugs, not changing
and breaking your stuff, if you can get it to
work properly to start with.
And since RHEL is Anit-Kaisen, you have to run software
that is typically very out-of-date AND NOT EXPECT TO
HAVE ACCESS TO ANY IMPROVEMENTS. Developers have
to specifically code for it with this in mind. Most
do not.
RHEL is great for "appliance" type installations where
you get it working once and then you set it and
forget it.
And you can do this with any operating system by
disabling their updates.
A benefit of RHEL is that you have live tech support
from Red Hat. They will try to help you are far
as they can, but keep in mind the purpose of RHEL
is to lock it down, so don't hold your breath.
As far as Fedroa goes, I have always been able to
get help on these kinds of forms and Fedora's
bugzilla is wonderful. Typically Fedroa will fix
bugs in weeks that RHEL will take five years to
address, usually to turn you down as the fix would
break their out-of-date architecture.
I now only run Fedora servers. I dumped RHEL clones
two years ago and have not looked back. On my own
workstation/server at my office, I still get the
giggles at everything that work perfectly after
dumping RHEL. A few did not, but Fedora fixed them
post haste. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
The straw that broke my back with RHEL was when RHEL
kept deleting my business contacts from Osmo. Mind
you, Osmo had a fix long ago for this, but could not
help me as it would not run on such an out-of-date
architecture.
Now as far as servers go, I install a minimal
installation, typically off a Live USB. Then
"add" what I need. This keeps things simple and
I don't have a bunch of stuff running that is
unused. Nmap LOVES full installs. Lots of
security issues to chase after.
In my technical opinion, RHEL is trash, but it has
its uses, as I outlined above.
-T
2:35 p.m.
On 04/14/2020 01:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
RHEL is a defunct, locked down version of Fedora,
bugs and all. The idea is that you can rely on
things, including the locked in bugs, not changing
and breaking your stuff, if you can get it to
work properly to start with.
That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's more
objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
3:02 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 12:35, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 04/14/2020 01:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> RHEL is a defunct, locked down version of Fedora,
> bugs and all. The idea is that you can rely on
> things, including the locked in bugs, not changing
> and breaking your stuff, if you can get it to
> work properly to start with.
That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's more
objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
Not really. I suffered with RHEL clones for years.
It drove me I-N-S-A-N-E.
Where do you get that Fedora is Bleeding Edge? If
clearly is not. Fedora has a whole host of testers
that make sure it is not bleeding edge. We only see
new stuff when it gets past them.
You see the latest Thunderbird yet? You see the
latest Firefox yet? Fedora is "next to Bleeding
Edge". The process is beautiful.
You can watch and participate in the process over on:
For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases
<test(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
RHEL is mainstream in what universe? Mainstream
if you compare it to something ten years ago. RHEL
is so locked down that it is very difficult to get
any decent bug fixes or enhancement installed.
"Legacy" would be a better description than "Mainstream".
And if you dare approach a software developer on the
subject, their derision of you running such an
outdated monstrosity is palpable. They won't help
you as they think you are an idiot.
Also, RHEL does not take advantage of what
was learned on Fedora unless you mean an outdated,
defunct version of Fedora, bugs and all. RHEL
is frozen. It does not improve. Doing
that would risk something (else) going wrong
and breaking the outdated code it does run.
3:31 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 01:35:16PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's
more
objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
I would definitely appreciate it if we say "leading edge" rather than
"bleeding edge". Fedora endeavors to deliver _working_ solutions, not
something where you might get your fingers metaphorically chopped off.
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Not the Pope
3:39 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 13:31, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 01:35:16PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's more
> objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
> programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
> mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
I would definitely appreciate it if we say "leading edge" rather than
"bleeding edge". Fedora endeavors to deliver _working_ solutions, not
something where you might get your fingers metaphorically chopped off.
The process is awesome. "Leading edge" does work
for me. Fedora is one of the greatest examples
of Kaisen (constant improvement) that exist in the
software world.
And thank you for not foisting the latest Firefox
and Thunderbird on us with all the weird bugs
they introduced.
4:08 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 04:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-14 13:31, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 01:35:16PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's more
>> objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
>> programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
>> mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
>
> I would definitely appreciate it if we say "leading edge" rather than
> "bleeding edge". Fedora endeavors to deliver _working_ solutions, not
> something where you might get your fingers metaphorically chopped off.
>
The process is awesome. "Leading edge" does work
for me. Fedora is one of the greatest examples
of Kaisen (constant improvement) that exist in the
software world.
And thank you for not foisting the latest Firefox
and Thunderbird on us with all the weird bugs
they introduced.
I am not using Firefox and Thunderbird at the moment. I have been using
Google Chrome for a few years already.
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2:30 p.m.
On 2020-04-15 02:08, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
On 2020-04-15 04:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> And thank you for not foisting the latest Firefox
> and Thunderbird on us with all the weird bugs
> they introduced.
I am not using Firefox and Thunderbird at the moment. I have been using
Google Chrome for a few years already.
Also try Brave Browser and Vivaldi with uBlock Orgin.
Both are also "Blink" based browsers as is chrome.
Brave has built in ad blocking and no spying.
I have had to install both Brave and Firefox on customer's machines as
Firefox is dying with fewer and fewer sites
working on it. I tell my customers if it does not work on
one browser, to use the other. You can switch back and forth.
I try to stay away from Chrome as it spies on you mercilessly.
Anything that works in Chrome should work in the other Blink
based browsers.
Vivaldi is customizable out the wazoo
7:32 a.m.
On 2020-04-16 03:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-15 02:08, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 04:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> And thank you for not foisting the latest Firefox
>> and Thunderbird on us with all the weird bugs
>> they introduced.
>
> I am not using Firefox and Thunderbird at the moment. I have been
> using Google Chrome for a few years already.
Also try Brave Browser and Vivaldi with uBlock Orgin.
Both are also "Blink" based browsers as is chrome.
Brave has built in ad blocking and no spying.
I have had to install both Brave and Firefox on customer's machines as
Firefox is dying with fewer and fewer sites
working on it. I tell my customers if it does not work on
one browser, to use the other. You can switch back and forth.
I try to stay away from Chrome as it spies on you mercilessly.
Anything that works in Chrome should work in the other Blink
based browsers.
Vivaldi is customizable out the wazoo
Google Chrome spies on users?
I stopped using Firefox a few years ago because it keeps deleting my
bookmarks in the past. A bug I think.
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12:29 p.m.
On 2020-04-16 05:32, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
On 2020-04-16 03:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 02:08, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> On 2020-04-15 04:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>
>>> And thank you for not foisting the latest Firefox
>>> and Thunderbird on us with all the weird bugs
>>> they introduced.
>>
>> I am not using Firefox and Thunderbird at the moment. I have been
>> using Google Chrome for a few years already.
>
>
> Also try Brave Browser and Vivaldi with uBlock Orgin.
> Both are also "Blink" based browsers as is chrome.
> Brave has built in ad blocking and no spying.
>
> I have had to install both Brave and Firefox on customer's machines as
> Firefox is dying with fewer and fewer sites
> working on it. I tell my customers if it does not work on
> one browser, to use the other. You can switch back and forth.
>
> I try to stay away from Chrome as it spies on you mercilessly.
> Anything that works in Chrome should work in the other Blink
> based browsers.
>
> Vivaldi is customizable out the wazoo
Google Chrome spies on users?
I stopped using Firefox a few years ago because it keeps deleting my
bookmarks in the past. A bug I think.
Chrome is a Google product. Collecting data on you
is Google's business model.
I have had to intsall Brave Browser next to Firefox because
of all the issues with Firefox.
Here is breakdown on browser privacy:
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf
3:49 a.m.
Noting that Fedora is released every 6 months while RHEL is released
every 3 years...
On 2020-04-15 03:35, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 04/14/2020 01:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> RHEL is a defunct, locked down version of Fedora,
> bugs and all. The idea is that you can rely on
> things, including the locked in bugs, not changing
> and breaking your stuff, if you can get it to
> work properly to start with.
That's a rather biased way to describe RHEL. I think it's more
objective to describe Fedora as a bleeding edge test bed where new
programs and procedures can have the bugs swatted, and RHEL a more
mainstream distro that takes advantage of what's learned in Fedora.
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2:50 p.m.
ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> writes:
The idea is that you can rely on things, including the locked in
bugs,
As someone who has a full time job fixing bugs in RHEL, I can
emphatically state that this is not the case at all.
If you want a bug fixed in RHEL, contact your RHEL account manager or
file a RHEL bug. We prioritize bug fixes according to customer need and
impact. For example, we won't fix a bug that requires an ABI change if
we promise no ABI changes, etc. But this is what our customers want.
You seem to have a bias against RHEL but the things you list as weak
points are considered benefits by others. When an OS upgrade with
recertification could take MONTHS, you absolutely want something that's
not going to change for years on end, yet still has security fixes and
tech support behind it.
In my technical opinion, RHEL is trash,
Please stop trash-talking something just because it isn't the best
choice for you. Choose something more appropriate and move on.
3:18 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 12:50, DJ Delorie wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> writes:
> The idea is that you can rely on things, including the locked in bugs,
As someone who has a full time job fixing bugs in RHEL, I can
emphatically state that this is not the case at all.
If you want a bug fixed in RHEL, contact your RHEL account manager or
file a RHEL bug. We prioritize bug fixes according to customer need and
impact. For example, we won't fix a bug that requires an ABI change if
we promise no ABI changes, etc. But this is what our customers want.
You seem to have a bias against RHEL but the things you list as weak
points are considered benefits by others. When an OS upgrade with
recertification could take MONTHS, you absolutely want something that's
not going to change for years on end, yet still has security fixes and
tech support behind it.
> In my technical opinion, RHEL is trash,
Please stop trash-talking something just because it isn't the best
choice for you. Choose something more appropriate and move on.
Hi DJ,
I was outlining the differnces between the two.
I was being blunt and to the point.
Not to trash talk your project, but I have bugs in
RHEL that have not been address for over S-E-V-E-N
years. So RHEL's "prioritization" is different from
mine and also different from the way Fedora handles
things.
Then again, I was using Clones of RHEL and as such,
until enough paying subscriber complained, nothing
was going to happen.
It is like the Broken Windows method crime fighting:
if you ignore the little crimes, then the big ones
will get out of hand. It does not matter that
bugs reported from the community would strengthen the
overall health of the the product. It only matters
if something major occurs and it affect subscribers.
And RHEL is good fit for set and forget applications,
provided your application will run on such an outdated
distribution. But you can do that with any operating
system, including that one whose name I shall not mention,
by turning off the updates.
You are correct, an Anti-Kaisen distribution clearly
does not meet my needs. I don't see it meeting
a lot of other people's needs either, except in certain
unique situations.
Hopefully, you hearing this from me will change the
culture somewhat at Red Hat, but you need to hear
this or you will never improve the product so it is
usable for more people.
RHEL is perfect if you need an Anti-Kaisen distribution.
Otherwise, go with a Kaisen distribution. Fedora
is perfect for that.
-T
3:43 p.m.
ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> writes:
So RHEL's "prioritization" is different from mine
Yes, which is why RHEL is not the best choice for you. I'm OK with
that, but there's no reason to take it so personally. "Doesn't do what
I want" is not the same as "RHEL is trash."
It does not matter that bugs reported from the community would
strengthen the overall health of the the product.
We do care about the community, and we do fix bugs reported by the
community. We do this in this other project called "Fedora" so if
that's what you want, that's what you should use ;-)
(although, ironically, I'm currently working on backporting to RHEL an
upstream patch set that wasn't requested by a customer)
4:21 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 13:43, DJ Delorie wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> writes:
> So RHEL's "prioritization" is different from mine
Yes, which is why RHEL is not the best choice for you. I'm OK with
that, but there's no reason to take it so personally. "Doesn't do what
I want" is not the same as "RHEL is trash."
You have no idea the economic damage RHEL did to me.
Here you go:
7.2 not compatible with C236 and RSTe motherboard
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1353423
Reported: 2016-07-07 03:30 UTC by Todd
Oh Gee Wiz! It has been only ignored for FOUR years.
It was clearly a timing error, the hard drive was
too fast. And it worked perfectly and is working
perfectly under Fedora. The hardware vendor even
offered you free hardware to work on it. The final
ruling was that you did not support the motherboard.
And that goes back to the out-of-date nature of RHEL.
Whenever you get nailed for hardware not working with
RHEL, you fall back on the "not supported" argument.
And what is supported CAN NOT BE FOUND. It is out of
stock for years and years. Cute! Gets you out of
anything.
I had to work 16 hour days for a week FOR FREE to
completely rebuild a Scientific Linux server
into a Fedora server. I had to learn a lot of about
current Linux practices in a hell of a hurry. It
cost me THOUSANDS of dollars in lost billings.
I am sorry, but "Trash" applies.
> It does not matter that bugs reported from the community would
> strengthen the overall health of the the product.
We do care about the community, and we do fix bugs reported by the
community. We do this in this other project called "Fedora" so if
that's what you want, that's what you should use ;-)
You are correct, but only to a certain extent. You did
correct the one for me where cutting a DVD in CentOS 5
scrambled your hard drive. Happened twice to me.
That as appreciated. You kind of stopped there.
Fedora, unlike RHEL, does respond and in an impressive
timely matter. RHEL picks and chooses. But so
does Fedora, they just pick a tremendous amount
more. Fedora practices Kaisen. RHEL is locked down.
(although, ironically, I'm currently working on backporting to
RHEL an
upstream patch set that wasn't requested by a customer)
Interesting. Hopefully you won't pull all your hair out
if the back port require a five year old utility or command
switch that is not available in such an out dated package
6:24 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 02:21:20PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>Yes, which is why RHEL is not the best choice for you. I'm
OK with
>that, but there's no reason to take it so personally. "Doesn't do what
>I want" is not the same as "RHEL is trash."
You have no idea the economic damage RHEL did to me.
Regardless, let's please not trash other distros on this list. (This goes
for Arch or Ubuntu or whatever else too, not just RHEL.)
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8:35 p.m.
On 2020-04-14 16:24, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 02:21:20PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users
wrote:
>> Yes, which is why RHEL is not the best choice for you. I'm OK with
>> that, but there's no reason to take it so personally. "Doesn't do
what
>> I want" is not the same as "RHEL is trash."
> You have no idea the economic damage RHEL did to me.
Regardless, let's please not trash other distros on this list. (This goes
for Arch or Ubuntu or whatever else too, not just RHEL.)
So if someone asked the difference between distros,
I am to keep my mouth shut?
To me "trashing" is if something untrue is stated.
Everything I said was true. I even gave an example
or how RHEL harmed me financially.
Maybe I should not be so blunt next time?
4:19 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 09:35, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-14 16:24, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 02:21:20PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users
> wrote:
>>> Yes, which is why RHEL is not the best choice for you. I'm OK with
>>> that, but there's no reason to take it so personally. "Doesn't
do
>>> what
>>> I want" is not the same as "RHEL is trash."
>> You have no idea the economic damage RHEL did to me.
>
> Regardless, let's please not trash other distros on this list. (This
> goes
> for Arch or Ubuntu or whatever else too, not just RHEL.)
So if someone asked the difference between distros,
I am to keep my mouth shut?
To me "trashing" is if something untrue is stated.
Everything I said was true. I even gave an example
or how RHEL harmed me financially.
Maybe I should not be so blunt next time?
Is distrowatch.com giving a good and reliable ranking of all the Linux
distros in the world?
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On 2020-04-15 03:50, DJ Delorie wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> writes:
> The idea is that you can rely on things, including the locked in bugs,
As someone who has a full time job fixing bugs in RHEL, I can
emphatically state that this is not the case at all.
If you want a bug fixed in RHEL, contact your RHEL account manager or
file a RHEL bug. We prioritize bug fixes according to customer need
and
impact. For example, we won't fix a bug that requires an ABI change if
we promise no ABI changes, etc. But this is what our customers want.
What is ABI?
You seem to have a bias against RHEL but the things you list as weak
points are considered benefits by others. When an OS upgrade with
recertification could take MONTHS, you absolutely want something that's
not going to change for years on end, yet still has security fixes and
tech support behind it.
> In my technical opinion, RHEL is trash,
Please stop trash-talking something just because it isn't the best
choice for you. Choose something more appropriate and move on.
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What is ABI?
Application Binary Interface. It means that older programs will
continue to run without recompilation when newer versions of the system
come out. Linux intentionally does not guarantee this, though some
distros may do so to a limited degree.
poc
3:39 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 03:15, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-14 02:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>
> What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
> think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
>
> When do I use RHEL?
>
> When do I use Fedora Server?
>
> I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.
>
> Thank you.
Hi Turritopsis,
Red Hat kind of sponsors Fedroa and uses a lot of
its designs, but Fedroa is a whole bunch of other
people too. RHEL is all Red hat.
The difference are
Fedora is a Kaisen (constant improvement) Operating
System. RHEL is anti-Kaisen.
What is Kaisen? Constant Improvement?
RHEL is a defunct, locked down version of Fedora,
bugs and all. The idea is that you can rely on
things, including the locked in bugs, not changing
and breaking your stuff, if you can get it to
work properly to start with.
And since RHEL is Anit-Kaisen, you have to run software
that is typically very out-of-date AND NOT EXPECT TO
HAVE ACCESS TO ANY IMPROVEMENTS. Developers have
to specifically code for it with this in mind. Most
do not.
RHEL is great for "appliance" type installations where
you get it working once and then you set it and
forget it.
And you can do this with any operating system by
disabling their updates.
A benefit of RHEL is that you have live tech support
from Red Hat. They will try to help you are far
as they can, but keep in mind the purpose of RHEL
is to lock it down, so don't hold your breath.
As far as Fedroa goes, I have always been able to
get help on these kinds of forms and Fedora's
bugzilla is wonderful. Typically Fedroa will fix
bugs in weeks that RHEL will take five years to
address, usually to turn you down as the fix would
break their out-of-date architecture.
I now only run Fedora servers. I dumped RHEL clones
two years ago and have not looked back.
RHEL clones as in CentOS?
On my own
workstation/server at my office, I still get the
giggles at everything that work perfectly after
dumping RHEL. A few did not, but Fedora fixed them
post haste. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
The straw that broke my back with RHEL was when RHEL
kept deleting my business contacts from Osmo. Mind
you, Osmo had a fix long ago for this, but could not
help me as it would not run on such an out-of-date
architecture.
Now as far as servers go, I install a minimal
installation, typically off a Live USB. Then
"add" what I need. This keeps things simple and
I don't have a bunch of stuff running that is
unused. Nmap LOVES full installs. Lots of
security issues to chase after.
LOL.
In my technical opinion, RHEL is trash, but it has
its uses, as I outlined above.
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On 2020-04-15 01:39, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
On 2020-04-15 03:15, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-14 02:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>>
>> What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
>> think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
>>
>> When do I use RHEL?
>>
>> When do I use Fedora Server?
>>
>> I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> Hi Turritopsis,
>
> Red Hat kind of sponsors Fedroa and uses a lot of
> its designs, but Fedroa is a whole bunch of other
> people too. RHEL is all Red hat.
>
> The difference are
>
> Fedora is a Kaisen (constant improvement) Operating
> System. RHEL is anti-Kaisen.
What is Kaisen? Constant Improvement?
I misspelled it. It is Kaizen and it means
"Continuous Improvement"
William Edwards Deming -- inventor of the Kaizen Principle
http://itiltopia.com/?p=526
Continuous Improvement
Deming’s concept was that it was everyone’s job to
continually make incremental improvements in everything
we do. All the time, never ending, always improving.
Japan took this concept to heart, to the point where
any factory worker was authorized to (indeed, they
were expected to) walk off the factory line, pull
an automotive engineer into a conference room, and
show the engineer how making a tiny change in the
car’s design would save 5 seconds on the factory
floor. Or 3 seconds. Or 1 second.
They weren’t revolutionizing the design, they were
making small, incremental improvements, and they
were doing it continuously.
This is how the company that made the Datsun B210
grew up to make the Nissan Altima.
Kaizen
In Japanese, the word Kaizen means “improvement” or
“change for the best”. Kaizen is the term most
commonly associated with the Deming Continuous
Improvement Cycle. The Deming Cycle can be summarized
as Plan->Do->Check->Act.
Fedora epitomizes Kaizen: All the time, never ending,
always improving. Fedora just keeps getting better
and better and better.
> I now only run Fedora servers. I dumped RHEL clones
> two years ago and have not looked back.
RHEL clones as in CentOS?
Yes, and scientific Linux as well.
4:27 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 16:50, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-15 01:39, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 03:15, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> On 2020-04-14 02:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>>> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>>>
>>> What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server? Because I
>>> think both RHEL and Fedora Server are from Red Hat Inc.
>>>
>>> When do I use RHEL?
>>>
>>> When do I use Fedora Server?
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> Hi Turritopsis,
>>
>> Red Hat kind of sponsors Fedroa and uses a lot of
>> its designs, but Fedroa is a whole bunch of other
>> people too. RHEL is all Red hat.
>>
>> The difference are
>>
>> Fedora is a Kaisen (constant improvement) Operating
>> System. RHEL is anti-Kaisen.
>
> What is Kaisen? Constant Improvement?
I misspelled it. It is Kaizen and it means
"Continuous Improvement"
William Edwards Deming -- inventor of the Kaizen Principle
http://itiltopia.com/?p=526
Continuous Improvement
Deming’s concept was that it was everyone’s job to
continually make incremental improvements in everything
we do. All the time, never ending, always improving.
Japan took this concept to heart, to the point where
any factory worker was authorized to (indeed, they
were expected to) walk off the factory line, pull
an automotive engineer into a conference room, and
show the engineer how making a tiny change in the
car’s design would save 5 seconds on the factory
floor. Or 3 seconds. Or 1 second.
They weren’t revolutionizing the design, they were
making small, incremental improvements, and they
were doing it continuously.
This is how the company that made the Datsun B210
grew up to make the Nissan Altima.
Kaizen
In Japanese, the word Kaizen means “improvement” or
“change for the best”. Kaizen is the term most
commonly associated with the Deming Continuous
Improvement Cycle. The Deming Cycle can be summarized
as Plan->Do->Check->Act.
Fedora epitomizes Kaizen: All the time, never ending,
always improving. Fedora just keeps getting better
and better and better.
Now I know why there is a Kaizen office at Tan Tock Seng Hospital (TTSH)
in Singapore. I was working as a Deskside Engineer (IT Support) at Tan
Tock Seng Hospital until I took unpaid leave indefinitely on 13 April
2020 Monday.
>> I now only run Fedora servers. I dumped RHEL clones
>> two years ago and have not looked back.
>
> RHEL clones as in CentOS?
Yes, and scientific Linux as well.
Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
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Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I
haven't
heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's a
definite bias.
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 11:13, Tim via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's a
definite bias.
Before I retired I was using Scientific Linux for RHEL "compatibility", but
it appears to be orphaned with RHEL/CentOS 8:
https://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-ANNOUNCE;11d...
Scientific Linux is driven by Fermilab's scientific mission and
focused on the changing needs of experimental facilities.
Fermilab is looking ahead to DUNE[1] and other future international
collaborations. One part of this is unifying our computing platform
with collaborating labs and institutions.
Toward that end, we will deploy CentOS 8 in our scientific computing
environments rather than develop Scientific Linux 8. We will
collaborate with CERN and other labs to help make CentOS an even
better platform for high-energy physics computing.
Fermilab will continue to support Scientific Linux 6 and 7 through the
remainder of their respective lifecycles. Thank you to all who have
contributed to Scientific Linux and who continue to do so.
In the past, CERN has provided scientific packages for CentOS (these also
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7:14 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 22:31, George N. White III wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 11:13, Tim via users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I
> haven't
>> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
>
> It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's
> a
> definite bias.
Before I retired I was using Scientific Linux for RHEL
"compatibility", but it appears to be orphaned with RHEL/CentOS 8:
https://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-ANNOUNCE;11d...
> Scientific Linux is driven by Fermilab's scientific mission and
> focused on the changing needs of experimental facilities.
>
> Fermilab is looking ahead to DUNE[1] and other future international
> collaborations. One part of this is unifying our computing platform
> with collaborating labs and institutions.
>
> Toward that end, we will deploy CentOS 8 in our scientific computing
> environments rather than develop Scientific Linux 8. We will
> collaborate with CERN and other labs to help make CentOS an even
> better platform for high-energy physics computing.
>
> Fermilab will continue to support Scientific Linux 6 and 7 through
> the remainder of their respective lifecycles. Thank you to all who
> have contributed to Scientific Linux and who continue to do so.
In the past, CERN has provided scientific packages for CentOS (these
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Wow! Fermilab, the European Center for Nuclear Physics (CERN) and other
high energy physics labs are using CentOS 8.
Looks like I should use CentOS 8 then.
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6:30 a.m.
On 2020-04-15 22:12, Tim via users wrote:
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's a
definite bias.
Scientific Linux is tailored to the scientific community?
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 08:31, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming <
ceo(a)teo-en-ming.com> wrote:
On 2020-04-15 22:12, Tim via users wrote:
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
>> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
>
> It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's a
> definite bias.
Scientific Linux is tailored to the scientific community?
There are many scientific communities. SL was created by
Fermilab, CERN, DESY and by ETH Zurich which are
mainly high-energy physics labs. I do applied math and
ecology, but have used CERN ROOT for demonstration of
some remote sensing algorithms. ROOT is one of those
big systems with a long list of dependencies that used to
be very difficult to install on linux distros. It happens to use
some of the same libraries as the NASA software I use, so
was convenient for working with some NASA data sets.
A few years ago, support in linux distros for some of these
libraries was very uneven, in part because the libraries were
a moving target, so it made sense to have a distro that
provided suitable versions for key libraries. Today, the
libraries are more stable so you can use CentOS 8 out of
the ISO for things that were hard to do on previous releases.
(There are, however, still some applications needing libraries
that use weird build systems and don't (yet) have RHEL 8
packages.)
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7:47 a.m.
On 2020-04-16 20:01, George N. White III wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 08:31, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
<ceo(a)teo-en-ming.com> wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 22:12, Tim via users wrote:
>> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>>> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I
> haven't
>>> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
>>
>> It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but
> there's a
>> definite bias.
>
> Scientific Linux is tailored to the scientific community?
There are many scientific communities. SL was created by
Fermilab, CERN, DESY and by ETH Zurich which are
mainly high-energy physics labs. I do applied math and
ecology, but have used CERN ROOT for demonstration of
some remote sensing algorithms. ROOT is one of those
big systems with a long list of dependencies that used to
be very difficult to install on linux distros. It happens to use
some of the same libraries as the NASA software I use, so
was convenient for working with some NASA data sets.
A few years ago, support in linux distros for some of these
libraries was very uneven, in part because the libraries were
a moving target, so it made sense to have a distro that
provided suitable versions for key libraries. Today, the
libraries are more stable so you can use CentOS 8 out of
the ISO for things that were hard to do on previous releases.
(There are, however, still some applications needing libraries
that use weird build systems and don't (yet) have RHEL 8
packages.)
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Do these scientific communities have mailing lists or discussion forums?
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On 2020-04-16 19:30, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
On 2020-04-15 22:12, Tim via users wrote:
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
>> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
>
> It's tailored to a specific community, not exclusively, but there's a
> definite bias.
Scientific Linux is tailored to the scientific community?
Have you considered looking this up in google? You could have easily found....
https://www.scientificlinux.org/about/
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2:21 p.m.
On 2020-04-15 02:27, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> RHEL clones as in CentOS?
>
> Yes, and scientific Linux as well.
Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
If is basically rebranded CentOS with a few addition
science related programs thrown in. It has a great bunch
of guys on its forum. It is backed by Fermilab, CERN,
DESY and by ETH Zurich.
7:23 a.m.
On 2020-04-16 03:21, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2020-04-15 02:27, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>>> RHEL clones as in CentOS?
>>
>> Yes, and scientific Linux as well.
>
> Scientific Linux is also a clone of RHEL? Is it free too? I haven't
> heard much of it so I guess it is not very popular.
If is basically rebranded CentOS with a few addition
science related programs thrown in. It has a great bunch
of guys on its forum. It is backed by Fermilab, CERN,
DESY and by ETH Zurich.
Oh I see. All high energy physics labs?
How about NPACI Rocks?
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