3 p.m.
I downloaded the RPMs for Fedora for the KDE 3.2 beta from download.kde.org
and I tried to follow the instructions, but there are no install instructions
given with the files and the generic ones on the KDE web site don't make
sense.
They say you must install in this order:
kdesupport.arch.rpm
kdelibs.arch.rpm
kdebase.arch.rpm
However, the beta does NOT contain any kdesupport RPM (although it does
contain the second and third RPMs). Skipping the firstone and trying to start
with kdelibs causes RPM to tell me that I must have QT 3.2 installed first.
Trying to install the QT RPM that is available generates this paradox:
[root@localhost trevor]# rpm -Uvh qt-3.2.3-0.2.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
/usr/lib/qt-3.1 is needed by (installed) redhat-artwork-0.88-1
[root@localhost trevor]# rpm -Uvh redhat-artwork-0.88-2.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
/usr/lib/qt-3.2 is needed by redhat-artwork-0.88-2
You see, the old redhat artwork NEEDS the old QT so I can't upgrade to the new
QT while the old artwork is installed. But the new artwork needs the new QT
so I can't install the new artwork until I install the new QT. Neither will
install before the other.
Any help? Where should I REALLY start? Is there any "single" install package?
Or must I really install each individual package separately? And if so, where
is the missing package that I am told I must install FIRST?
3:12 p.m.
On January 11, 2004 16:00, Trevor Smith wrote:
I downloaded the RPMs for Fedora for the KDE 3.2 beta from
download.kde.org
and I tried to follow the instructions, but there are no install
instructions given with the files and the generic ones on the KDE web site
don't make sense.
Put all the RPMs in a single directory. Then simply do a
rpm -Uvh *.rpm
Et voilà!
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Simon Perreault <nomis80(a)nomis80.org> -- http://nomis80.org
7:34 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 17:12, Simon Perreault wrote:
Put all the RPMs in a single directory. Then simply do a
rpm -Uvh *.rpm
This does not work for me. I have a fresh installation of FC1, about a day or
two old, and I installed *everything* (I repartitioned to make enough space
to install everything specifically to avoid situations like this, where
software that is supposed to install/run will not).
This is what I get:
[root@localhost kde]# rpm -Uvh *.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
kdeaddons = %{epoch}:3.1.94-0.2 is needed by
kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.1.94-0.2
XFree86-devel is needed by kdesdk-devel-3.1.94-0.1
libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
XFree86-devel is needed by qt-devel-3.2.3-0.2
[root@localhost kde]#
Now, I was getting failures and started trying to install individual packages
so the above failures might not be the *original* failures, but it's been
failing all along.
Three questions:
1. The web site instructions say "Do It In This Order" but you're suggesting
that I just throw all the RPMs together and say "install them all!" Does that
mean the web site is wrong?
2. If the web site is not wrong, where is the package that they say you MUST
install first? Why is it not present in the latest beta directory?
3. What should I do about the failures above?
-stuck and unable to ever get any software for linux to install ever and very
frustrated. :-(
8:05 p.m.
On Jan 11, 2004 at 21:34, Trevor Smith in a soothing rage wrote:
On Sunday 11 January 2004 17:12, Simon Perreault wrote:
> Put all the RPMs in a single directory. Then simply do a
>
> rpm -Uvh *.rpm
This does not work for me. I have a fresh installation of FC1, about a day or
two old, and I installed *everything* (I repartitioned to make enough space
to install everything specifically to avoid situations like this, where
software that is supposed to install/run will not).
It is an iterative process. You
need to get the needed rpms and add
them to the dl directory and do the rpm -Uvh *.rpm again.
This is what I get:
[root@localhost kde]# rpm -Uvh *.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
kdeaddons = %{epoch}:3.1.94-0.2 is needed by
kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.1.94-0.2
Provided by KDE.
XFree86-devel is needed by kdesdk-devel-3.1.94-0.1
XFree86-devel is provided by FC1
libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
[20:42:15][FEDORA]$ locate libnetsnmp.so.5
/usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
/usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5.1.0
[20:56:13][FEDORA]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
net-snmp-5.1-2.1
This is provided by FC1
XFree86-devel is needed by qt-devel-3.2.3-0.2
[root@localhost kde]#
[...]
Three questions:
1. The web site instructions say "Do It In This Order" but you're suggesting
that I just throw all the RPMs together and say "install them all!" Does that
mean the web site is wrong?
I cannot comment on this as I do not know which
instructions you
refer to. Simon's method is one way of doing it.
2. If the web site is not wrong, where is the package that they say
you MUST
install first? Why is it not present in the latest beta directory?
I have detailed
where you can get the rpms from above. The one's
related to KDE are. kdesupport is deprecated, so you must have
got old instructions. Current instructions generally go install
qt, then arts, then kdelibs, then kdebase and then the rest as
you need them.
3. What should I do about the failures above?
'If you try and do not succeed,
try, try again' - Anon
HTH
N.Emile...
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8:56 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 22:05, ne... wrote:
It is an iterative process. You need to get the needed rpms and add
them to the dl directory and do the rpm -Uvh *.rpm again.
OK. But I don't know where to find any of the needed RPMs.
>[root@localhost kde]# rpm -Uvh *.rpm
>error: Failed dependencies:
> kdeaddons = %{epoch}:3.1.94-0.2 is needed by
>kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.1.94-0.2
Provided by KDE.
I was told not to install this file since it allegedly is broken. I have
removed it from the directory.
> XFree86-devel is needed by kdesdk-devel-3.1.94-0.1
XFree86-devel is provided by FC1
OK, found it. Someone told me that the *-devel-* RPMs are only needed if
you're going to compile packages for KDE. I'm not sure what that means,
precisely, but I'm not going to do it so I moved those RPMs out of the
directory. So I don't need this file anymore either.
> libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
[20:42:15][FEDORA]$ locate libnetsnmp.so.5
/usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
/usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5.1.0
[20:56:13][FEDORA]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
net-snmp-5.1-2.1
This is provided by FC1
This one I still need but I don't have it. It may be provided by FC1, but
there are 3 CDs to search and that's taking me a long time... Any more hints
on where I can find it and how I can get it installed? I'm searching through
the add / remove applications tool but can't find any reference to it.
I have detailed where you can get the rpms from above. The one's
related to KDE are. kdesupport is deprecated, so you must have
got old instructions.
Ah! Thank you! That's a clear explanation that I can understand to reconcile
the online info with what I'm experiencing.
Current instructions generally go install
qt, then arts, then kdelibs, then kdebase and then the rest as
you need them.
Perfect. When the online instructions failed, that's what I attempted, but QT
wouldn't install (circular dependencies). Trying to do all packages in a
batch might work.
9:10 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 22:56, Trevor Smith wrote:
> > libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
>
> [20:42:15][FEDORA]$ locate libnetsnmp.so.5
> /usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
> /usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5.1.0
> [20:56:13][FEDORA]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libnetsnmp.so.5
> net-snmp-5.1-2.1
> This is provided by FC1
This one I still need but I don't have it. It may be provided by FC1, but
there are 3 CDs to search and that's taking me a long time... Any more
OK, I found it by reading every description in the add software tool. I
installed it and the rpm -Uvh seemed to go as planned, although it only
showed one line of #######, then said a few packages were already installed
(I may have installed a few of the new KDE packages individually while
tinkering).
Now what? I'll restart and see if KDE has changed. There is no inidication so
far if it was successfully installed.
9:59 p.m.
Trevor Smith said:
OK, I found it by reading every description in the add software tool.
I
installed it and the rpm -Uvh seemed to go as planned, although it only
showed one line of #######, then said a few packages were already
installed
(I may have installed a few of the new KDE packages individually while
tinkering).
Since some of the packages had errors (already installed) none of them
would be installed. Remove the ones you have already installed from the
directory and try again.
--
William Hooper
12:08 a.m.
On January 11, 2004 11:59 pm, William Hooper wrote:
Since some of the packages had errors (already installed) none of
them
would be installed. Remove the ones you have already installed from the
directory and try again.
Ah! That did it. After installing that netsnmp thing, exiting to run level 3,
removing from the directory the packages that had already been installed and
trying rpm -Uhv *.rpm again, it finally worked.
Now I'm finally testing the new KDE beta. Thanks to everyone. :-)
9:58 p.m.
Trevor Smith said:
> net-snmp-5.1-2.1
> This is provided by FC1
This one I still need but I don't have it. It may be provided by FC1, but
there are 3 CDs to search and that's taking me a long time...
For future reference, check out the whichcd project.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/whichcd/
[whooper@poit whooper]$ whichcd -vFC1 net-snmp
Searching in the FC1 database.
Searching for net-snmp...
CD-1:net-snmp-5.0.9-2.i386.rpm
CD-3:net-snmp-devel-5.0.9-2.i386.rpm
CD-3:net-snmp-perl-5.0.9-2.i386.rpm
CD-3:net-snmp-utils-5.0.9-2.i386.rpm
SOURCE-CD-2:net-snmp-5.0.9-2.src.rpm
Even better, you can use the "-f" switch to find files.
IIRC you can also install rpmdb-fedora package and RPM will suggest
packages if they come with FC (you might also need to pass a switch to RPM
for that, I don't remember).
--
William Hooper
11:27 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 23:58, William Hooper wrote:
For future reference, check out the whichcd project.
...
Even better, you can use the "-f" switch to find files.
IIRC you can also install rpmdb-fedora package and RPM will suggest
packages if they come with FC (you might also need to pass a switch to RPM
for that, I don't remember).
All way above my head, but thanks for the suggestions.
I'll try your other input about removing the already installed RPMs from the
dir.
What a nightmare.
7:31 a.m.
Trevor Smith said:
On Sunday 11 January 2004 23:58, William Hooper wrote:
> For future reference, check out the whichcd project.
...
> Even better, you can use the "-f" switch to find files.
>
> IIRC you can also install rpmdb-fedora package and RPM will suggest
> packages if they come with FC (you might also need to pass a switch to
> RPM
> for that, I don't remember).
All way above my head, but thanks for the suggestions.
Without a description of _what_ you don't understand, I don't see how you
expect anyone to explain it to you. Just coming back with "I don't
understand any of that" without more info won't encourage people to help
in the future.
--
William Hooper
8:13 a.m.
On January 12, 2004 09:31 am, William Hooper wrote:
Without a description of _what_ you don't understand, I don't
see how you
expect anyone to explain it to you. Just coming back with "I don't
understand any of that" without more info won't encourage people to help
in the future.
:-) Sorry. As I said, your other suggestion (remove from the directory
packages that have already been installed and try rpm -Uvh again) seemed like
the best option to try. So I did. And it worked. Thanks again.
8:07 p.m.
On January 11, 2004 20:34, Trevor Smith wrote:
kdeaddons = %{epoch}:3.1.94-0.2 is needed by
kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.1.94-0.2
Do not install kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner, it is broken.
XFree86-devel is needed by kdesdk-devel-3.1.94-0.1
Now I'm pretty sure you don't have XFree86-devel installed.
libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
You also need the net-snmp package.
1. The web site instructions say "Do It In This Order" but
you're
suggesting that I just throw all the RPMs together and say "install them
all!" Does that mean the web site is wrong?
The web site you're talking about gives instructions for *source*
installation, not RPMs. You can install RPMs in one bunch, the rpm command is
smart enough to install them in the right order.
--
Simon Perreault <nomis80(a)nomis80.org> -- http://nomis80.org
8:35 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 22:07, Simon Perreault wrote:
The web site you're talking about gives instructions for
*source*
installation, not RPMs.
I'm not convinced you are correct. The web page is:
http://www.kde.org/documentation/userguide/linux-installing-rpms.html
This is a page that indicates it is talking about RPMs, not source RPMs. I
could be wrong (very new at this) but I suspect it would say SRPMs if it
meant installing/compiling source code. No?
Also, there is a section not much later called "Using Source Compilation to
Install on Top of Other Systems" which says "If your Linux distribution did
not come with an RPM or DEB archive format, or you are not using Linux at
all, you must compile KDE on your own." This seems to clearly indicate that
you use the instructions at the URL above to install the *binary* RPM, but if
there is no binary RPM (or DEB), then you must compile from source.
So the instructions I mentioned appear to apply to what I'm trying to do. They
just don't work because they refer to a non-existent file in this case.
I'm open to correction.
6:32 a.m.
On January 11, 2004 21:35, Trevor Smith wrote:
I'm not convinced you are correct. The web page is:
http://www.kde.org/documentation/userguide/linux-installing-rpms.html
This is a page that indicates it is talking about RPMs, not source RPMs. I
could be wrong (very new at this) but I suspect it would say SRPMs if it
meant installing/compiling source code. No?
I am correct, you are correct, but that website is wrong. I'll fix it tonight.
--
Simon Perreault <nomis80(a)nomis80.org> -- http://nomis80.org
8:41 p.m.
On Sunday 11 January 2004 22:07, Simon Perreault wrote:
> libnetsnmp.so.5 is needed by kdeutils-3.1.94-0.2
You also need the net-snmp package.
OK. So I take it that libnetsnmp.so.5 is a file of some type that I can find
somewhere on the Internet and install on my system somehow. But that's all I
can assume. Can anyone give me a little more direction?
Is this normal, btw? Download an application (KDE), try to install it, get a
message that something is needed and I just have to sort of "know" what that
file is and where to find it?
Just curious.
8:47 p.m.
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 20:41, Trevor Smith wrote:
OK. So I take it that libnetsnmp.so.5 is a file of some type that I
can find
somewhere on the Internet and install on my system somehow. But that's all I
can assume. Can anyone give me a little more direction?
libnetsnmp.so.5 should be a library file that belongs to the net-snmp
package, or the net-snmp-devel package. Try installing that and see if
that helps.
--
Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
"It's funny until someone gets hurt...then it's hilarious!"
10:06 p.m.
New subject: No CDROM
OK, I'm some what new to Linux but seem to have a problem on my second
system with Fedora. It was a clean install, but sharing disk space with
the dark side.
Motherboard: Abit IC7-MAX3
Kernel-smp#2.6.1-1.126 (but the core 1 2.4 didn't work either)
My fstab has:
LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1
LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
LABEL=/usr /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb /web vfat defaults 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
When I run Hardware Browser (hwbrowser) it reports:
CD-ROM Drives Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A
Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
Driver: none or built-in
Device: /dev/hdc
However when I manually try to mount ...
[root@localhost root]# mount cdrom
mount: can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[root@localhost root]# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device
[root@localhost root]# mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device
Any suggestions where to look and what to try? Oh and yes, the
/mnt/cdrom directory exists.
Damn annoying since the system booted and loaded from the CD in the
first place.
Paul
10:46 p.m.
New subject: No CDROM
Am Mo, den 12.01.2004 schrieb Paul um 05:06:
[ snipped ]
Please - do NOT hijack foreign threads!
Always open a new message and write in the list address
fedora-list(a)redhat.com as recipient and then your subject line.
Thank you.
Alexander
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3:23 a.m.
New subject: No CDROM
Am Montag 12 Januar 2004 05:06 schrieb Paul:
OK, I'm some what new to Linux but seem to have a problem on my
second
system with Fedora. It was a clean install, but sharing disk space with
the dark side.
Motherboard: Abit IC7-MAX3
Kernel-smp#2.6.1-1.126 (but the core 1 2.4 didn't work either)
My fstab has:
LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1
LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
LABEL=/usr /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb /web vfat defaults 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
When I run Hardware Browser (hwbrowser) it reports:
CD-ROM Drives Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A
Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
Driver: none or built-in
Device: /dev/hdc
However when I manually try to mount ...
[root@localhost root]# mount cdrom
mount: can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
is wrong!!
[root@localhost root]# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device
[root@localhost root]# mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device
Any suggestions where to look and what to try? Oh and yes, the
/mnt/cdrom directory exists.
Damn annoying since the system booted and loaded from the CD in the
first place.
do you have a CD in the drive?? Have you enabled the ide-scsi
emulator???
Paul
7:15 a.m.
New subject: No CDROM
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 22:06, Paul wrote:
However when I manually try to mount ...
[root@localhost root]# mount cdrom
mount: can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
What about just "mount /mnt/cdrom"?
It's not already mounted either is it?
--
Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
"It's funny until someone gets hurt...then it's hilarious!"
7:47 a.m.
New subject: No CDROM
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 20:06, Paul wrote:
OK, I'm some what new to Linux but seem to have a problem on my
second
system with Fedora. It was a clean install, but sharing disk space with
the dark side.
SNIP<
When I run Hardware Browser (hwbrowser) it reports:
CD-ROM Drives Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A
Manufacturer: PLEXTOR
Driver: none or built-in
Device: /dev/hdc
There are several ways to mount a CD-ROM:
THe dev/cdrom should be a link to the scsi emulator /dev/sd?. Try
mounting /dev/hdc to /mnt/cdrom.
From the Gnome gui you could try right clicking on the dexktop and
selecting disks->cdrom and see if that works
there is a service called automount that, I believe is default in fedora
which auto mounts the CD when you install a disk.
If none of these are working for you, (scratching head vigorously) you
might try Google groups. I am sure there is an answer out there but I'm
a newbie too!
Scott
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