Delayed due to 'Respin'?

[Jeremy]

Hey, I'm new to this list.  I was excited about downloading Fedora Core 1
today, only to find out that it was delayed due to 'Respin'?  What does that
mean?  I looked 'respin' up in the dictionary, but didn't fidn anything :p

-Jeremy

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[Jay Turner]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:47:03AM -0800, Jeremy wrote:
>  Hey, I'm new to this list.  I was excited about downloading
> Fedora Core 1
>  today, only to find out that it was delayed due to 'Respin'?  What does that
>  mean?  I looked 'respin' up in the dictionary, but didn't fidn anything :p
It means that we found an issue which was serious enough to prevent us from
shipping, therefore we are going to have to fix the issue then create new
trees and test to verify that the new trees are sane.  This whole process
is referred to as "spinning a release."

- jkt
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[Gerry Doris]

>  On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:47:03AM -0800, Jeremy wrote:
> > Hey, I'm new to this list.  I was excited about downloading Fedora Core
> > 1
> > today, only to find out that it was delayed due to 'Respin'?  What does
> > that
> > mean?  I looked 'respin' up in the dictionary, but didn't fidn anything
> > :p
>
>  It means that we found an issue which was serious enough to prevent us
>  from
>  shipping, therefore we are going to have to fix the issue then create new
>  trees and test to verify that the new trees are sane.  This whole process
>  is referred to as "spinning a release."
>
>  - jkt
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>  Jay Turner, QA Technical Lead      jkt(a)redhat.com             Red Hat,
>  Inc. 


This is the best message I've seen on this list since the group was
started.  There has been a ton of speculation, guesses, upset people...and
now this note.

Jay, your note indicates to me that RH still cares.  A Fedora release is
being delayed because it isn't ready.  Further, you are doing QA testing
and not just tossing the release to the public.

I believe this is a real sign to those whose faith may have been shaken
and perhaps feel that RedHat might be abandoning the flock!


Gerry

[Martin Marques]

El Lun 03 Nov 2003 13:38, Gerry Doris escribió:
>  >
>  > It means that we found an issue which was serious enough to prevent us
>  > from
>  > shipping, therefore we are going to have to fix the issue then create new
>  > trees and test to verify that the new trees are sane.  This whole process
>  > is referred to as "spinning a release."
>
>  This is the best message I've seen on this list since the group was
>  started.  There has been a ton of speculation, guesses, upset people...and
>  now this note.
>
>  Jay, your note indicates to me that RH still cares.  A Fedora release is
>  being delayed because it isn't ready.  Further, you are doing QA testing
>  and not just tossing the release to the public.
>
>  I believe this is a real sign to those whose faith may have been shaken
>  and perhaps feel that RedHat might be abandoning the flock! 
You mean they took the blue pill? :-)

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[Matthias Blankertz]

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Am Montag 03 November 2003 20:40 schrieb Martin Marques:
>  El Lun 03 Nov 2003 13:38, Gerry Doris escribió:
>  > > It means that we found an issue which was serious enough to prevent us
>  > > from
>  > > shipping, therefore we are going to have to fix the issue then create
>  > > new trees and test to verify that the new trees are sane.  This whole
>  > > process is referred to as "spinning a release."
>  >
>  > This is the best message I've seen on this list since the group was
>  > started.  There has been a ton of speculation, guesses, upset
>  > people...and now this note.
>  >
>  > Jay, your note indicates to me that RH still cares.  A Fedora release is
>  > being delayed because it isn't ready.  Further, you are doing QA testing
>  > and not just tossing the release to the public.
>  >
>  > I believe this is a real sign to those whose faith may have been shaken
>  > and perhaps feel that RedHat might be abandoning the flock!
>
>  You mean they took the blue pill? :-) 
RH said that the development of Fedora will be a more open process.
Then I wonder why they can't tell us what their problem is that causes them to 
delay? It either is a) something secret, or b) they don't want to waste their 
time explaining. b would be acceptable but a?!?
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[Martin Marques]

El Lun 03 Nov 2003 17:43, Matthias Blankertz escribió:
>  >
>  > You mean they took the blue pill? :-)
>  
>  RH said that the development of Fedora will be a more open process.
>  Then I wonder why they can't tell us what their problem is that causes them 
to
>  delay? It either is a) something secret, or b) they don't want to
> waste  
their
>  time explaining. b would be acceptable but a?!? 
If this is Open to the community, like the Debian Project, then there should 
be a fedora-devel list where there exists discutions about releases, etc.

Those this list exist?

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[Jim Laverty]

Yes

http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

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<snip>

If this is Open to the community, like the Debian Project, then there should

be a fedora-devel list where there exists discutions about releases, etc.

Those this list exist?




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[David C. Hart]

On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 15:43, Matthias Blankertz wrote:

>  RH said that the development of Fedora will be a more open process.
>  Then I wonder why they can't tell us what their problem is that causes them to 
>  delay? It either is a) something secret, or b) they don't want to waste their 
>  time explaining. b would be acceptable but a?!? 
My guess is it deals with either proprietary licensing or foreign export
issues. In turn, that might mean that the test releases have a problem
which would certainly cause everyone to be circumspect.

[Elliot Lee]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Matthias Blankertz wrote:

>  RH said that the development of Fedora will be a more open process.
> Then
>  I wonder why they can't tell us what their problem is that causes them
>  to delay? It either is a) something secret, or b) they don't want to
>  waste their time explaining. b would be acceptable but a?!? 
The details were explained in development forums such as IRC. It's really
hard to make sure that everyone hears the whole story, and if you're
interested in participating in development, you should get onto the
developer's mailing list & IRC channel anyways.

-- Elliot
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[Pekka Savola]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Elliot Lee wrote:
>  The details were explained in development forums such as IRC.
> It's really
>  hard to make sure that everyone hears the whole story, and if you're
>  interested in participating in development, you should get onto the
>  developer's mailing list & IRC channel anyways. 
Haven't seen it on fedora-devel-list at least...

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[Jim Laverty]

Could be related to a BXA issue, all I know is they are working on it.

Schedule slip

    * From: "Michael K. Johnson" <johnsonm redhat com>
    * To: fedora-devel-list redhat com, fedora-test-list redhat com
    * Subject: Schedule slip
    * Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:40:56 -0500

We had to respin FC1 today for a non-technical issue (that's all
I can say, sorry), which resets the clock for release.  We have
to start over again with the export process, and I don't think
they work weekends, so we have to slip until after we hear back
from them and then sync to mirrors.  Wednesday the 5th is slightly
possible, a day later more likely.

We did at least pull in a few technical fixes as well whil we were
at it.

Sorry about that,

michaelkjohnson

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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Elliot Lee wrote:
>  The details were explained in development forums such as IRC.
> It's 
>  really hard to make sure that everyone hears the whole story, and if 
>  you're interested in participating in development, you should get onto 
>  the developer's mailing list & IRC channel anyways. 
Haven't seen it on fedora-devel-list at least...

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mo, den 03.11.2003 schrieb Matthias Blankertz um 21:43:

>  RH said that the development of Fedora will be a more open process.
>  Then I wonder why they can't tell us what their problem is that causes them to 
>  delay? It either is a) something secret, or b) they don't want to waste their 
>  time explaining. b would be acceptable but a?!? 
There's nothing secret about it, go
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg04157.html
and read this thread!

Christoph

[MLists]

>  > What does that mean?  I looked 'respin' up in the
> dictionary, but 
>  > didn't fidn anything :p
>  
>  the new trees are sane.  This whole process is referred to as 
>  "spinning a release." 
Glad to know I'm not the only one who was puzzled by that notice.  It's
obvious now that you mention "spinning a release".  All morning I've been
thinking 'resp-in... resp-in...' what could that mean... DUH... re-spin :-)

Cheers,
> >>>> Mike <<<<<

[Julien Olivier]

On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 16:16, Jay Turner wrote:
>  On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:47:03AM -0800, Jeremy wrote:
>  > Hey, I'm new to this list.  I was excited about downloading Fedora Core 1
>  > today, only to find out that it was delayed due to 'Respin'?  What does
> that
>  > mean?  I looked 'respin' up in the dictionary, but didn't fidn anything
> :p
>  
>  It means that we found an issue which was serious enough to prevent us from
>  shipping, therefore we are going to have to fix the issue then create new
>  trees and test to verify that the new trees are sane.  This whole process
>  is referred to as "spinning a release."
>   
Is it possible to know exactly what is preventing the release ? Is it
the smartd bug with some USB devices or anything else ?

Thanks.

>  - jkt 
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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mo, den 03.11.2003 schrieb Julien Olivier um 18:20:

>  Is it possible to know exactly what is preventing the release ? Is
> it
>  the smartd bug with some USB devices or anything else ? 
No, not possible for it was
for no technical reason:

>  We had to respin FC1 today for a non-technical issue (that's all
>  I can say, sorry), which resets the clock for release.  We have
>  to start over again with the export process, and I don't think
>  they work weekends, so we have to slip until after we hear back
>  from them and then sync to mirrors.  Wednesday the 5th is slightly
>  possible, a day later more likely.
>  
>  We did at least pull in a few technical fixes as well whil we were
>  at it.
>  
>  Sorry about that,
>  
>  michaelkjohnson 
Check out the first reply to this message (fedora-test-list-archive),
then you'll know the reason!

Christoph

[Julien Olivier]

>  Check out the first reply to this message
> (fedora-test-list-archive),
>  then you'll know the reason!
>   
If that's the real reason, that's funny :)

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